Not a bad idea, wonder if i could tap it. Cast iron?

LC S Coupe Rebuild
#451
_judgelj_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:11 AM
#452
Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:34 AM
Tapping a thread into the cast iron will be easy. You will need to ream the existing 3/8" stud hole out to tap a 7/16" thread for the 7/16" screw in stud as well as you may need to remove the head and have the stud boss machined down to suit.
I understand that with the non adjustable rocker heads the bosses have to be machined down to remove the thickness of the hex nut that is built into the screw in studs or the studs will sit too high. Don't know if it's the same deal when fitting screw in studs to an adjustable rocker head.
You may also need to change the rocker arm to suit with a 7/16" stud. Hopefully someone else will know more about this.
#453
_judgelj_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:56 PM
Only problem now is that the boss has water coming out so it has obviously rusted through. Do I need to apply anything special to the bolt seeing as though it's pressed?
#454
Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:19 PM
you will need some kind of sealant bud as they go into the water jackets,thats what drag lc has mentioned in an old thread as he changed a stud,id be getting 3/8 screw in studs put in,take it to a machinists shop and they can do it for you.i got mine done a little while ago at jan n albies,john brookfield put em in for me for i think it was 220 bucks,probably double that now but worth the peace of mind..i put s/t rollers on with pr 726s chromemoly pushys undercut,.i dont think your std tappets will go on 7/16 studs so you will be upgrading .but not sure bud .
Maz
Edited by madtoranajzedded, 24 February 2014 - 01:26 PM.
#455
_judgelj_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:28 PM
Is there ANYTHING other than gm sealant for sealing studs in water? That stuff is dear as poison 76$ for a tube from holden
#456
Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:38 PM
LC Workshop manual says to coat interference fit surfaces of new stud with SL90 gear oil.
There is/was a special tool for installing new studs but I would reckon a piece of 5/8" diameter brass rod (drift) about 6" long and a hammer would probably suffice.
Learn something new every day. Always believed the studs didn't go into the water jackets, boy was I wrong.
Cheers
Dave.
edit: Be careful not to drive it too far into the head.
Edited by S pack, 24 February 2014 - 01:39 PM.
#457
Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:43 PM
Cheers bullet
#458
_judgelj_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 02:16 PM
Dave, im not too sure. Engine builder says they go into the jackets, a lot of people say they dont. With what i've seen, they must rust thought. Being 40+ years old they have all probably done so by this stage. The spare i pulled out showed obvious signs of rusting through, but i could be wrong. Mark i purchased some permatiex/loctite no 3. Everyone assures me it will be ok, will it? Everyone swears by GM sealer but the difference is about 70 dollars (permatex bottle 6$). I even called loctite who assured me it would be ok. Dave, should i still use oil with the sealer?
Do i just apply it as i would apply GM sealer to the bottom of a head bolt? Can i fit it straight away, does it have to cure at all before i can start the motor and adjust the tappets?
Cheers
#459
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 02:31 PM
Put the new stud in freezer for 5 or 6 hours before you install it.
#460
_judgelj_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:17 PM
If they sit in water? How do I know when it's seated. Do I just keep and eye on how far down it goes? Make it sit level with the others?
#461
Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:23 PM
Oh ok will do, will this shrink it?
Make it sit level with the others?
Yes (a poofteenth) & yes.
#462
Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:25 PM
Because you said the old stud was scored, the bore will most likely be the same so a light smear of sealant is good insurance in my book.
Stick a screw driver down the hole to see if it has a bottom, but a steel ruler across the other studs to get the hight would be the go.
Cheers Bullet
#463
Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:50 PM
If you got a CO2 fire extinguisher you dont need you can use that to cool the stud down before fitting.
Works for putting track pins in dozers so should go well for a little stud like that
#464
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:52 PM
#465
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:06 PM
If you got a CO2 fire extinguisher you dont need you can use that to cool the stud down before fitting.
Works for putting track pins in dozers so should go well for a little stud like that
I can just see the look on the oh&s wankers face now.
#466
_judgelj_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:20 PM
Mark, so if the bore is perfect, why the oil? Being an interference fit you wouldn't want any lube, would you?
There is coolant in the boss, can I still coat the stud and fit it or do I need to drain it first?
#467
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:35 PM
On occasions when Ive been gettin down to the last stubby and had to fish around the bottom of an esky thats had 2 bags of ice in it, I reckon the iced water feels colder then sticking your hand in a freezer. Ive go no scientific proof behind that though.
#468
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:43 PM
Iced water will transfer heat/cold much quicker (obviously) but the -30c of the freezer will beat the iced water hands down for temp every single time. Case in point....how many times have you frozen a Great Northern solid in your esky?
#469
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:47 PM
If you are going to give your engine a bit of a flogging you may as well fix it properly the first time.
#470
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:55 PM
Iced water will transfer heat/cold much quicker (obviously) but the -30c of the freezer will beat the iced water hands down for temp every single time. Case in point....how many times have you frozen a Great Northern solid in your esky?
Good point!!!!!
#471
Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:59 PM
I can just see the look on the oh&s wankers face now.
Mate of mine always takes 3 or 4 with him to do track pins.
Cost of recharging extinguisher more than made up by time saved.
Has a dry powder mounted to the vehicle for the OHS tools
#472
Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:20 PM
Awesome input thanks guys. I'll freeze it, why not. Just so glad I didn't have to spend 80 dollars on a tin I won't use again. Why doesn't everyone use permatex if it does the job?
Mark, so if the bore is perfect, why the oil? Being an interference fit you wouldn't want any lube, would you?
There is coolant in the boss, can I still coat the stud and fit it or do I need to drain it first?
Never had to replace a rocker stud but my guess is the stud should be such a tight fit in the hole that without lube it may bind before it is driven in to the correct depth.
Was thinking about whether or not the stud holes in the bosses should or shouldn't penetrate into the water jackets.
If the holes were blanked off from the jackets then driving the stud in would compress the air trapped below it and may prevent the stud seating down to the correct depth. So if this theory is correct then it makes sense that the stud holes open into the water jackets.
Edited by S pack, 24 February 2014 - 05:20 PM.
#473
Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:34 PM
#474
Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:44 PM
dave is a thinker .the top of the boss must be burred too for the scratches or just the way it came out,would taking the lip off with a file help when seating or ?
#475
Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:53 PM
would taking the lip off with a file help when seating or ?
lip on what exactly???
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