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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:15 PM

Nice work that , and Barney makes an appearance too !! :clap: :clap: :clap:


yes laz the gtr does make an appearance :stirpot:

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:15 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong-wasn't Perfectune 'Dyno' Dave Bennett's workshop?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:27 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong-wasn't Perfectune 'Dyno' Dave Bennett's workshop?


That's what I thought too but Willow (Richo) would know, cause he's an exspurt on the supercar scare.

Edited by S pack, 20 August 2012 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:30 PM

That's what I thought too but Willow (Richo) would know, cause he's an exspurt on the supercar scare.


Noooo.......hes an ignorant deadshit.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:31 PM

Noooo.......hes an ignorant deadshit.


Bwa hahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahaha..........

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 07:47 PM

Noooo.......hes an ignorant deadshit.


That's a bit harsh ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NOT!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:03 PM

Ok k guys one day i will get the artical from my mates engine building book and scan the last few pages for you all that they speak of Dave and Harry discussing the yellow terror name that was born and the 73 xu1 v8 heads to be machined for the 73 XU2 the 150 bathurst specials as every one all ready nows of the special xu1s that where hidden in the production line from the unsuspected owner
HeHe :stirpot:

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:42 PM

Ok k guys one day i will get the artical from my mates engine building book and scan the last few pages for you all that they speak of Dave and Harry discussing the yellow terror name that was born and the 73 xu1 v8 heads to be machined for the 73 XU2 the 150 bathurst specials as every one all ready nows of the special xu1s that where hidden in the production line from the unsuspected owner
HeHe :stirpot:


Oooooooohhhhhhhhh. Can't wait to read that ^^^ story and please let us know who wrote it, if they put their name to it.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 10:07 PM

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i was going through my old Street Machine mags, and in one from the 1980's, there is a interview with the Yella Terra Guru
and he says Holden asked him to do the Head for the 6 Cyl 1973 LJ XU-1, he said he had a Bathurst 6000 Head out at the time
for sale to fit Red 6 Cyl, but anyway he did the Head for the 6 Cyl 1973 LJ XU-1, then in Sept 1973, Holden asked him to make
up 250 Sets of Heads for the L34 308 V8, but he ended up doing alot more sets of heads, than the 250 sets of heads.
So if Dave did heads for the V8 LJ Cars, they would of been in 1972, thats if he got the nod for that, only Harry Firth and
Ian Tate and Fred James the Holden Engine Engineer would of knew for sure.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 11:32 PM

Richo
i was going through my old Street Machine mags, and in one from the 1980's, there is a interview with the Yella Terra Guru
and he says Holden asked him to do the Head for the 6 Cyl 1973 LJ XU-1, he said he had a Bathurst 6000 Head out at the time
for sale to fit Red 6 Cyl, but anyway he did the Head for the 6 Cyl 1973 LJ XU-1, then in Sept 1973, Holden asked him to make
up 250 Sets of Heads for the L34 308 V8, but he ended up doing alot more sets of heads, than the 250 sets of heads.
So if Dave did heads for the V8 LJ Cars, they would of been in 1972, thats if he got the nod for that, only Harry Firth and
Ian Tate and Fred James the Holden Engine Engineer would of knew for sure.

Xu2308
you finally seen the artical your on the right track but it said nothing of 72 heads, L34 v8 heads were to be done late 73 as you read and they were done only to be halted from entering production cars untill the 74 SLR because well you now why the abandon project of the 73 308 XU1 the 150 Bathurst specials and the continuance of the LJ XU1 as a 74 model
not any 72 150 Bathurst specials that didn't even exist any way
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I now for shew
To some it all up in a nutshell for you

Mid 73 the plan to fit the revised JP 202 engine was after the 308 project was abandoned thats how the late 73 XU1 202 is the heavy duty 202 the same as the SLR 202 these are the XU1 150 Bathurst specials the apposed first production run of XU2 308 LJs

The 72 xu1 has the early 202 witch is not I say not the heavy duty 202

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 11:47 PM

my brain hurts

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:51 AM

Hahahahahahahahah, this just keeps getting better and better!!!!!
What a crock of shite.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:16 AM

I now for shew


I have no idea what that means, but as said before, why don't you ask the people who were involved at the time?? It isn't that hard. They will tell you about what happened back then. And it was nothing like what you seem to think.....

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:48 AM

Richo
The V8 LJ was 1972, we get it, you dont. I dont know why you dont get it, but it was 1972. The Heads on the V8 LJ's
would of not been standard, as we know this from the XW-7 parts list for V8 LJ, that all happened in 1972.
Now was Dave Bennett the Yella Terra Guru asked to do the Heads for V8 LJ in 1972, well Harry Firth and Ian Tate
would know for sure as they did the work on the first 308 V8 Torana that went into the Yellow HDT LC XU-1 Torana,
and we know from Test Drives storys from Larry Perkins and the Car ran at the 1972 Easter Bathurst in April 1972
the Engine in that car was modified, as the car did over 160 MPH down conrod straight and Harry followed Larry Perkins
in his special 350 V8 Monaro, going to the Easter Bathurst in April 1972, and Harry got up to 125 MPH and could not catch Larry.
And the XW-7 parts list for the LJ V8 Engine backs up that the 1972 LJ V8 Torana was going to have a Modified 308 V8 Engine.
Remember Richo this all happened in 1972222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 01:57 PM

richoooooooooooooooooooo

1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972
1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972 1972

do you ******* get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 02:54 PM

LMFAO!!! There must be some serious 'gear' available in Sydney these days. Stops all recognition of the number 1972

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:43 PM

LMFAO!!! There must be some serious 'gear' available in Sydney these days. Stops all recognition of the number 1972


Must be that new shit they call Bath Salts. Saw it on the tele recently, totally f**ks up your brain.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:47 PM

Yes Richo and it was in 1972, in case you dont realise

Edited by xu2308, 03 September 2012 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:35 PM


And in someones garage somewhere in this wide brown land they sit, just waiting to be found..........


Dreaming ?

Just remember that similar has happened before, and the "known history" has been revised as it was incorrect.
Just ask Sagman, he's been involved with three toranas so far that don't exist............
Currently, we know the people who were performing the crash tests don't remember ever seeing more than one busted arse shell in the vicinity......

Let's see what happens in the coming six months.........

Grant..

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:27 PM

Well guys im not saying there was not possibly 3 prototypes but the 3 prototypes if made in the production factory of a GMH plant they would of been vined as a 308 V8 LJ as any one would suspect it was certain to do so not just a myth of like I heard it from my good mate Harry that his mocka was 1 of the 3 that couldn't even be registered unless it was put through the stringent road tests that any car would have to go throw at a GMH test track.

But what your trying to say is that the special xu1s that where supposed to be the XU2s are the 72 model xu1s which you all seem to miss alot of main pointers that lead it to be the 73 150 xu1s

All so sagman suspected the 308 XU1 being designed because of the engine mount being the same for the 202 and the 308 that was designed as early as 69 passably earlier

yes guys it is a grate debate thow a lot of popcorn and VBs as well as logs on the fire has been eaten drunk and burnt wile your Myth goes on

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:45 PM

I haven't a clue about the LJV8/XU-2 thing and so won't attempt to comment, but I will say Richo has made several claims here and there in this and other threads and in doing so he has cited other sources to corroborate his commentary, but yet failed to produce the same despite requests to do so - I illustrate his claims to almost half of all XY GT Falcons being written-off in prangs as but one example where he put up but failed to stump up.
On this basis, how about we all just refuse to feed oxygen to this thief?
Clearly he relishes in the attention and many of his posts leave me wondering how much of this is a gee-up, but as 'they' say, truth is often stranger than fiction.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:45 PM

Is it just me,or does the XU-1 attract a lot of dickheads,me being one,hehehehe.

Is this mikes love child?

How do you teach someone 1972 was the year,its never been any different,unless acid is used,wipes out ink and brain cells.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:57 PM

Well guys im not saying there was not possibly 3 prototypes but the 3 prototypes if made in the production factory of a GMH plant they would of been vined as a 308 V8 LJ as any one would suspect it was certain to do so not just a myth of like I heard it from my good mate Harry that his mocka was 1 of the 3 that couldn't even be registered unless it was put through the stringent road tests that any car would have to go throw at a GMH test track.

But what your trying to say is that the special xu1s that where supposed to be the XU2s are the 72 model xu1s which you all seem to miss alot of main pointers that lead it to be the 73 150 xu1s

All so sagman suspected the 308 XU1 being designed because of the engine mount being the same for the 202 and the 308 that was designed as early as 69 passably earlier

yes guys it is a grate debate thow a lot of popcorn and VBs as well as logs on the fire has been eaten drunk and burnt wile your Myth goes on

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Hi Willow

How's the rebirth (oops, made a typo, sorry) rebuild of your Willow XU1 going. Have you got it finished yet? :)

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:16 PM

Well Richo , holden did register an LJ GTR with a 308 , the 'orange' protoype was in fact registered on the 6/9/72 , yes 2 months 1 week after the programme was cancelled officially. LGN-307

The price was dearer than an XU1 at just over $3500. , the rego was dearer by $30 , the word EIGHT in capital letters is written in the No. of cylinders , the SAE horsepower rating is written as 51 as opposed to 31 for an XU1 and the bore size is 4.0 " as opposed to 3.625 " for the XU1 and the engine no is QT13---6.

The comparitive document is for the '72 Brock LJ which was registered on the 7/9/72 , LGN-347.

They are both Vic. Roads documents obtained under the freedom of information act and prove that GMH did in fact register an LJ GTR with a V8 legally in 1972 ............. not a myth .

The car was known as the 'lockwood special ' and remained registered by GMH as a V8 car . In feb of '75 the car was advertised by internal tender and was bought by a dealer in country Vic. It had been fitted with a QL 202 prior to being sold but as the FOI documents show it still had the V8 engine number on the papers until '78.

The tender docs show that the car had been fitted with a V8 for an 18 month period and had received a full mechanical rebuild and a new engine prior to being offered for sale. ................. not a myth.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:18 PM

yeah Richo cant get it, its well Doco it was 1972, the prototypes were 1972, the production for the V8 LJ Road going car was in 1972, so thats how it was and is Richo.




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