For mine, don't worry about a HT 308 if you go v8 as it's not a v8 car to start with and you'll save a fair bit of cash by just using any 308 block.
Maybe look for the correct prefix 6 if you go that way. The 6 cyl prefix should be HL from memory.
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Hot sixes fly and if you don't flog the hell out of the banjo and m20 they last well most blokes that I know that break these items regularly are crap drivers with gutlessless cars, me and a good mate run these behind our 202 combos that will flog mild 308 powered cars and rarely have a problem and when we drive our cars they get driven hard go for the hot six, l have a papaya SS with no flairs and a 202 running a bit of boost and if I was going to drop a 308 in her it would have to be a HT block not some dirty old QT.
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Just as a matter of interest, what is the difference between a HT block and a QT block?
Nice SS by the way. Good to see a tagged 6 that still is a 6. As has been said, not too many around that havnt been converted to an 8.
Nice SS by the way. Good to see a tagged 6 that still is a 6. As has been said, not too many around that havnt been converted to an 8.
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One letter and the price tag.
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Hi slr-v8, you are right but if you are going to buy a SS and there are 2 identical L20 cars and 1 has a HT and 1 a QT which one would you buy? I think you will recoup any extra spent when its time to sell, cheers Aaron.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:29 PM
From a 42,865 Km LX trimatic 202 with motor Number XCL 797314 and he still doesn't want to sell, was his mums so it is a one family car.
Probably got over 43K now ....just as it is only driven locally and he does have a modern car.
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Probably got over 43K now ....just as it is only driven locally and he does have a modern car.
Regards ... Barry
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:29 PM
Sorry imj411, we'll have to agree to disagree. The engine prefix in that scenario would only influence my decision if it was the original engine to the car or if I was going to pull it out and sell it.
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From a 42,865 Km LX trimatic 202 with motor Number XCL 797314 and he still doesn't want to sell, was his mums so it is a one family car.
Probably got over 43K now ....just as it is only driven locally and he does have a modern car.
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I think that you will find that motor is XQL, Barrie...
With regards to your SS, Being a manual, you need an "HL" Prefix Block.
Looking at the pics, if you need any parts, you can always shop here: www.toranarpa.com.au
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Nice plug Mick 
So if there is no difference between HT and QT I really dont see the added value of having a HT block in anything other than an L31 plated car. As for which one would I buy re the question posed by Aaron, the cheaper one of course.
But like everything, its what ever floats ya boat
So if there is no difference between HT and QT I really dont see the added value of having a HT block in anything other than an L31 plated car. As for which one would I buy re the question posed by Aaron, the cheaper one of course.
But like everything, its what ever floats ya boat
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HT was LH - LX
QT was HQ - HZ
that's it...
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HT was LH - LX
QT was HQ - HZ
that's it...
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As the HT and QT blocks are identical the only reason to go for a HT is if it's the original engine for that car. Once it's not the original engine number it doesn't matter if a H is a Q or a 6 is a 7.
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On a zoom up there is a very small tail on that second letter which on that macro zoom show it should be a Q
So that Q was not formed properly when the block was stamped
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I think that you will find that motor is XQL, Barrie...
On a zoom up there is a very small tail on that second letter which on that macro zoom show it should be a Q
So that Q was not formed properly when the block was stamped
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Cant really see much value in keeping a six in it if it isnt even the original engine..lets face it the SS was iconic for its V8 versions not the 6 cylinder. Most people looking to buy an SS will want one with a V8, i personally wouldnt waste the money or time trying to find a HT block, any ole 308 will do just paint it red.
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if i did not have the original HT block Find a NT block with a date cast after the car was sold and during 12 mth warranty periodHot sixes fly and if you don't flog the hell out of the banjo and m20 they last well most blokes that I know that break these items regularly are crap drivers with gutlessless cars, me and a good mate run these behind our 202 combos that will flog mild 308 powered cars and rarely have a problem and when we drive our cars they get driven hard go for the hot six, l have a papaya SS with no flairs and a 202 running a bit of boost and if I was going to drop a 308 in her it would have to be a HT block not some dirty old QT.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:50 AM
the SS was iconic for its V8 versions not the 6 cylinder.
The A9X was iconic for the V8.
I've known of a few 4.2 hatchs but the 5 litres are very rare, so they're sought after due to rarity but not necessarily because they're an icon. The SS stands up as an icon on its own no matter which engine.
Most people looking to buy an SS will want one with a V8
He's the owner not a buyer so it's up to him but if he were to sell these days the trend is towards concours restorations and it all depends on who is buying, you could very well get a lot of interest in it being restored to original though the original motor would be the optimum.
A lot of people who want more power are throwing in larger engines, etc. but they're keeping the original engine/gearbox/diff for the next buyer - just in case.
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The A9X was iconic for the V8.
Yes. And what was an A9X basically? a 5ltr SS with a few more options. Everybody wanted a 5litre hatch back in the day..why else would we see so many of the 6 and 253 variants fitted with 5litre engines.
He's the owner not a buyer so it's up to him but if he were to sell these days the trend is towards concours restorations and it all depends on who is buying, you could very well get a lot of interest in it being restored to original though the original motor would be the optimum.
A lot of people who want more power are throwing in larger engines, etc. but they're keeping the original engine/gearbox/diff for the next buyer - just in case.
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Yes i know he is the owner..obviously i was talking about resale value. He could still restore the car and fit a holden V8 driveline without drastically altering the cars originality and it would still be only worth what it is in reality..which is a 6 cylinder SS.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 03:36 PM
Yes. And what was an A9X basically? a 5ltr SS with a few more options.
Yes but the A9X didn't come in 6 cylinder versions.
I get what you're saying but an SS stands up as an icon on its own, not just the V8's. Just like an SL/R, the V8 options were available on both SS and SL/R but they weren't iconic for their V8 alone as they came with other engines. They were iconic for the whole package, their badging, interior, colour schemes, etc. that was what set them apart from the base models and made them icons.
Then again the Torana is an icon itself these days.
Everybody wanted a 5litre hatch back in the day.
Everyone wanted a 5 litre back in the day no matter what it was in, lol.
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Agree with what stephenslr says, you only have to look at the sale prices of hatches, regardless of engine an 8VD77 always gets bigger dollars than a 8VC77
While a 5 litre SS will always be worth more than a six I reckon any SS will be worth more than any SL.
While a 5 litre SS will always be worth more than a six I reckon any SS will be worth more than any SL.
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its a 6cyl SS which is a base model of of all the ss variants $25,000 is all its worth and id say the worlds best is worth $35,000 .
1) you would keep all the original drivetrain ,as its only worth $500-$800 at best to sell and its worth alot more than that to you as its the original motor box diff ie you could put a healthy 355 in it toploader and 9inch and when your done with it, pull it out and replace with original ,or sell it with the v8 in it and as a PLUS it also comes with the original drivetrain . Id say your car with the 6cyl in is worth what u paid $25k that same car with a 400hp 355 stroker toploader or turbo 350 ,9inch is worth $35,000 .
You got $10,000 to play with cause u know you will get it back once your fun is over and you lost nothing .
Toploader or t350 and 3500 converter ---$2000
Ford 9inch diff with 3.7 gears-----------------$2000
Motor 308-355 400 +hp -------------------------$6000
EASY DONE NO MORE CHAT MORE FUN THAN U WILL EVER HAVE TAKE IT TO THE TRACK ,DRAGS WHATEVER RUN LOW 12 HIGH 11,S WONT LOSE A CENT .
1) you would keep all the original drivetrain ,as its only worth $500-$800 at best to sell and its worth alot more than that to you as its the original motor box diff ie you could put a healthy 355 in it toploader and 9inch and when your done with it, pull it out and replace with original ,or sell it with the v8 in it and as a PLUS it also comes with the original drivetrain . Id say your car with the 6cyl in is worth what u paid $25k that same car with a 400hp 355 stroker toploader or turbo 350 ,9inch is worth $35,000 .
You got $10,000 to play with cause u know you will get it back once your fun is over and you lost nothing .
Toploader or t350 and 3500 converter ---$2000
Ford 9inch diff with 3.7 gears-----------------$2000
Motor 308-355 400 +hp -------------------------$6000
EASY DONE NO MORE CHAT MORE FUN THAN U WILL EVER HAVE TAKE IT TO THE TRACK ,DRAGS WHATEVER RUN LOW 12 HIGH 11,S WONT LOSE A CENT .
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Yeh it sound like fun but there only original once. Too fit a toploader or Turbo you have to mod the tunnel, and you need to get a torana stud pattern 9 inch or you will end up with HQ or commodore pattern, next thing you know its got flairs and a drop tank and it just like all the other molested a9x replicas out there. Your better of starting with a SL. Cheers Aaron.
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its a 6cyl SS which is a base model of of all the ss variants
You're getting the terminology wrong.
The SS is a feature model, sports/deluxe/upgraded/limited edition (whatever you want to call it) no matter what engine it has.
A base model is a standard model that mumma, pappa and granny drives, like a Torana S or SL, there are just about always a lot more base models than 'limited edition' models, hence the term 'limited edition'.
The SS 6 cyl. is definitely not a base model, it's a limited edition.
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Its your car to do what you want with it. However personally I've changed my opinion on modified as time has gone on. For me I always want the fastest, modified widest tyred Torana that I could afford. With torries the hatchback version vs the common 4 door taxi versions 
where significantly less in numbers, so any genuine unmodified SS is getting very rare indeed. As someone said they are only original once and today personally I couldn't modify any SS unless it was bolt-on modifications that are easily reversed. If I wanted an A9X copy I would buy an SL or sunbudgie and modify till my heart was content.
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where significantly less in numbers, so any genuine unmodified SS is getting very rare indeed. As someone said they are only original once and today personally I couldn't modify any SS unless it was bolt-on modifications that are easily reversed. If I wanted an A9X copy I would buy an SL or sunbudgie and modify till my heart was content.My two cents.
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I agree with you LXSS350
I owned two 1977 L31 LX SS Hatch's back in the 1980's to 1990's, and they were a rare item back then i thought, and for my 2 cents worth, i would be keeping it as a 6 Cyl, as they must be getting rare as the old 6 Cyl SS
I owned two 1977 L31 LX SS Hatch's back in the 1980's to 1990's, and they were a rare item back then i thought, and for my 2 cents worth, i would be keeping it as a 6 Cyl, as they must be getting rare as the old 6 Cyl SS
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My opinion, and everyone will have different ones;
You won't increase the value fitting a V8. If it was a factory 308 it will always pull more money than a factory 6.
You can easily fit a 308 and make it look fairly stock looking to match the rest of this nice original looking example. I can't imagine you are going to be flogging the thing to death, if you are I think you have bought the wrong car because for that money you could buy a V8 hatch someone has put together to flog along.
If it was me though I'd look at getting it back to original because there simply aren't many around any more and if you have ever been to a show where Pops has his stock SS it always attracts a crowd.
BTW the seat trim material looks like EA Falcon S pack to me.
You won't increase the value fitting a V8. If it was a factory 308 it will always pull more money than a factory 6.
You can easily fit a 308 and make it look fairly stock looking to match the rest of this nice original looking example. I can't imagine you are going to be flogging the thing to death, if you are I think you have bought the wrong car because for that money you could buy a V8 hatch someone has put together to flog along.
If it was me though I'd look at getting it back to original because there simply aren't many around any more and if you have ever been to a show where Pops has his stock SS it always attracts a crowd.
BTW the seat trim material looks like EA Falcon S pack to me.
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