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#1 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:15 PM

Hey guys, was thinking today at work about how i need to get the stupid boat out on the water again after i finish stage 1 of the house reno's and have a weekend spare, and i remembered an old problem and started brooding upon it.

Now, when the engine is cold it has very good oil pressure, 20psi or so at idle and about 50psi cruising, but as the engine warms up this drops off quickly.

After 5 minutes or so of cruising the oil drops down to about 15psi at around 3500rpm and practically 0 at idle. Holding it pinned (about 4500rpm) the guage filckers between 0 and 2psi or so.

Letting it sit for half hour or so then jumping back in and getting straight on the throttle its got ok pressure again (say 20psi flat out) then that tapers off quickly.

I always put this down to drainback issues, or the pickup coming out of the oil, i've never had the engine out/sump off so im not sure where the pickup is. The engine is in backwards and on about a 15 degree lean, but it does have two small drain back tubes from the heads to the dog clutch.

But it hit me like a brick wall today. The engine is in a cover, in the hull, and has absolutely no air flow over the engine or sump. Before i put the scoop on inlet temps were obviously ridiculous, the scoop made a huge diffrence to performance.

Running the engine without a cover to test would be irrelevant, as theres still no airflow over the sump/block.

Im wondering if the oil is just heating up to a stupid temperature really fast??

I dont particularly wish to pull the engine out to fit an oil temp guage (wont get one in there with the engine in) so is there an easy way to work out if its way to hot? Would an IR temp gun on the side of the sump be a rough guide?

Even with the stupidly low oil pressure it makes no funny noises, sounds happy as, so im thinking it may be getting heaps of flow and just very little pressure, and i've never really woried about it.

Just thought i would throw the idea out there while i think about it.

Cheers.

Edited by Bomber Watson, 17 August 2012 - 08:17 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:31 PM

change your oil/filter/pump...see if that fixes it
other than that you sure your gauge is right?

Edited by Quagmire, 17 August 2012 - 10:32 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:36 PM

Hey guys, was thinking today at work about how i need to get the stupid boat out on the water again after i finish stage 1 of the house reno's and have a weekend spare, and i remembered an old problem and started brooding upon it.

Now, when the engine is cold it has very good oil pressure, 20psi or so at idle and about 50psi cruising, but as the engine warms up this drops off quickly.

After 5 minutes or so of cruising the oil drops down to about 15psi at around 3500rpm and practically 0 at idle. Holding it pinned (about 4500rpm) the guage filckers between 0 and 2psi or so.

Letting it sit for half hour or so then jumping back in and getting straight on the throttle its got ok pressure again (say 20psi flat out) then that tapers off quickly.

I always put this down to drainback issues, or the pickup coming out of the oil, i've never had the engine out/sump off so im not sure where the pickup is. The engine is in backwards and on about a 15 degree lean, but it does have two small drain back tubes from the heads to the dog clutch.

But it hit me like a brick wall today. The engine is in a cover, in the hull, and has absolutely no air flow over the engine or sump. Before i put the scoop on inlet temps were obviously ridiculous, the scoop made a huge diffrence to performance.

Running the engine without a cover to test would be irrelevant, as theres still no airflow over the sump/block.

Im wondering if the oil is just heating up to a stupid temperature really fast??

I dont particularly wish to pull the engine out to fit an oil temp guage (wont get one in there with the engine in) so is there an easy way to work out if its way to hot? Would an IR temp gun on the side of the sump be a rough guide?

Even with the stupidly low oil pressure it makes no funny noises, sounds happy as, so im thinking it may be getting heaps of flow and just very little pressure, and i've never really woried about it.

Just thought i would throw the idea out there while i think about it.

Cheers.



Is the pressure gauge electric or mechanical. Might be a faulty sender unit or wiring.

Edited by S pack, 17 August 2012 - 10:37 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:55 PM

Autometer 2 5/8" sport comp mechanical with about three hours use on it.

The old electrical guage was the first thing i blamed and changed lol.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:00 PM

If it is oil temperature you could braze some copper tubing to the sump surface and run cooling water through them. Bit of work but should be easy.

308's and 253's are renowned for oil pump problems. If it still has the alloy style i'd replace it with a new cast iron one just in case.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:17 PM

Adapt an OEM Subaru oil cooler? I don't think you'd have trouble finding some cool water to run through it...

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

What about a sandwich plate between the filter and the pump?

http://www.ebay.com....=item53ec2756c2
^Don't know if thats the right 'main' thread? There's squillions of them, surely the right one somewhere?

You can put oil pressure & temp gauges on it too...

Hook up some lines to whatever type of oil cooler will fit in the boat. Trans cooler perhaps?




What grade oil are you using?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:28 PM

Whilst the load of cooling in a road car is partly shared by the heat convected and radiated from the surfaces of the engine, the entire cooling can be accommodated by increasing the proportion cooled by the water flowing through the cyliinder head. The oil loses its heat to the coolant.. Provided the water temp in the cylinder head is ok, the temp of the oil will stay at a suitable temp. it would need to be getting >300C to even approach viscosities that could see your pressures drop to the the values you report.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:12 PM

Have you added an extra litre to see if the oil covers the pickup when hot? Cracked or loose pickup will give similar symptoms.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:21 PM

had a this problem years ago found that the presure release valve wasn't working right, so put in heaver spring and solved the problem

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:10 PM

Alrighty, cheers heaps guys.

Yel, cant really get at the sump, if i pulled the engine i was thinking about just looping some copper tubing up, or putting it in a s shape or something in the sump, fittings on the side, and running river water though it.

Oldjohnno, those scubi coolers look interesting, bit pricey though at around $250, but good to know such a thing exists.

Pete, they look like an alright idea. Trans cooler isnt really ideal, i need something water cooled ideally, but the adapter looks the goods, i'll investigate the thread, for the price its probably worth having one on the shelf anyway.

Torbirdie, cool, was just my thought the other day and wondered if it would be an issue.

Rexy, yeah, but having no real idea where the pickup is etc i could probably add a heap more. Mind just eyeballing it atm i recon the front half of the crank would be in the oil.

Dave, cheers mate.

Im watching this

http://www.ebay.com....3#ht_500wt_1361

They seem to be around the $170 mark new, dont really want a high vol though i assume. The cheap ones on egay seem to be high vol though, few standard vol ones but there stupidly expensive....

Cheers guys.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:34 AM

Stop being a girl, take the cover off and drive it.

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Posted 09 July 2024 - 01:54 PM

Bomber. Did you work this out? My newly rebuilt 308 has a similar issue - good pressure on startup which quickly drops to zero at idle and even when I give it a bit of pedal. I'm too scared to rev it harder to see if the pressure comes back.



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Posted 17 July 2024 - 09:39 PM

You do realise the original post was made 12 years ago, so unlikely he will respond

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Posted 21 July 2024 - 12:47 PM

Bomber. Did you work this out? My newly rebuilt 308 has a similar issue - good pressure on startup which quickly drops to zero at idle and even when I give it a bit of pedal. I'm too scared to rev it harder to see if the pressure comes back.

 

 

Just work through the advice above and you will get it sorted.






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