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Any hq wheels 18inch that will clear brembos ?

Started by _sjp67m_ , Aug 21 2012 08:21 AM

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#1 _sjp67m_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:21 AM

Hi just wondering if anyone knows of manufacturers that make hq stud pattern wheels that will clear (18inch) or do I need to go with spacers (which I know are illegal)

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#2 dattoman

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:14 AM

Your question is very vague

What disc size , offset and which particular caliper ?

Generally I'd say NO... nothing off the shelf will fit

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#3 _LXSS350_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:24 AM

Any of the custom manufacturers will do them in any size, offset, pcd, centre bore etc to clear Brembos, AP, Alcon etc
Just give them your measurements and brake info (measurements for caliper offset, caliper height etc)

As Datto said nothing off the shelf unless its stuff like a dunnydore

http://www.bozeforged.com/wheels.html
http://www.showwheelsusa.com/

Edited by LXSS350, 21 August 2012 - 09:25 AM.

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#4 _sjp67m_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:33 AM

Same Setup ls1 hatch from USA just waiting to get the stud pattern re drilled to take measurements

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#5 _LXSS350_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:57 AM

The deep dish chev (HQ - 4.75"pcd) pattern needed for a flared Torana is well used on early vettes and camaros in the many pro-touring builds. So there is no shortage of custom manufacturers in the USA. Talk to ls1hatch (jeff) as besides freight he has a mate that can spin up wheels to your specs.

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#6 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:14 AM

I just replied to your question in my build thread, so you can peek in there....but as mentioned, lots of wheel manufactures out there gearing towards pro-touring type stuff and bigger brakes. (Boze, budnik, billet specialties, and a bunch of others have popped up doing billet 2 and 3 piece stuff) Just let them know it's for a 2005 SL55 Mercedes as far as clearances, and then go from there with the back spacing and bolt pattern.

But just have to find some with the right shaped spoke and thickness on rear mounting pad, plus an outer with the drop to clear the overall diameter of the brake package...

My wheels use a special outer designed with a narrow drop area to give more brake clearance as well (since they were designed for race cars) but you see plenty of aftermarket 3 piece wheels on AMG Mercedes around here, so the stuff to fit them is out there for sure. (just depends on the cost of course)

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#7 _sjp67m_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

I've found these and apparently they will fit as they clear hsv and ford brakes so in due time I will get accurate measurements. Not sure about the black :-/

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#8 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:16 PM

What HSV brakes do they clear ? The AMG brakes are pretty good sized remember..and no need to mention the size of the calipers, ha ha.

Also the rotor height with the Holdens might be deeper where it gets the caliper further back from the wheel mounting surface ?

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#9 _sjp67m_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

What HSV brakes do they clear ? The AMG brakes are pretty good sized remember..and no need to mention the size of the calipers, ha ha.

Also the rotor height with the Holdens might be deeper where it gets the caliper further back from the wheel mounting surface ?

I'm looking into that now as soon as I get my discs back from engineer

I'm not using the amg brakes but rather the brembos you used previously

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#10 dattoman

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:14 PM

Modern wheels have no dish though... and pull the wheels right in under the guard due to offset... and look silly

Do LOTS of measuring before you spend a cent

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#11 _sjp67m_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:20 PM

Modern wheels have no dish though... and pull the wheels right in under the guard due to offset... and look silly

Do LOTS of measuring before you spend a cent

They said to me that they can make
Them according to my measurements

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#12 _shan620_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:22 PM

yeh showwheels. They are dear but everything is custom made, unless you get something in stock. Go on their site and download the wheel measurement sheet and email back. The only problem with them is you'll have to wait 7 weeks like me for the wheels to be made.

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#13 _LXSS350_

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:27 PM

Each wheel design (centre) will allow/disallow different caliper offsets. No across the board answer, as there are too many different combo's. The AP 6 spots on the hub offset I used gave me a 26mm caliper offset. This is where the caliper sits 26mm past the hub face (wheel mounting face). Many centre wheel designs just dont work with caliper overhang unless you had the manufacturer put a mounting flange (much like built in spacer) on the centre. Wheel manufacturer can answer the question if you detail your combo and measurements. Off the self stuff for custom fitment is very rare and you would have to be bloody lucky. As stated because modern cars have maximum track underneath their bodywork (handling reasons), most modern wheels just don't have the deep dish and are not suitable for use on a Torana.

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#14 _LXSS350_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 05:16 AM

Rather than the late stuff with no dish take a look at what they use on the early F bodies. These in std form have similar offsets to a flared Torana. Look at all the Pro Touring builds which tend to use big brake combo's on these early bodies. These may give you some style ideas.

These are all available in 18's.

http://www.rushforthwheels.com/
http://www.bonspeedwheels.com/
http://www.budnik.com/
http://www.hrewheels.com/
http://www.schottwheels.com/
http://www.billetspe...touring-series/

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#15 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:28 AM

We supplied some panels for that car to the panel shop who did it (Stylerod panels) and just shipped over a Buick for the guy...

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#16 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:34 AM

Each wheel design (centre) will allow/disallow different caliper offsets. No across the board answer, as there are too many different combo's. The AP 6 spots on the hub offset I used gave me a 26mm caliper offset. This is where the caliper sits 26mm past the hub face (wheel mounting face). Many centre wheel designs just dont work with caliper overhang unless you had the manufacturer put a mounting flange (much like built in spacer) on the centre. Wheel manufacturer can answer the question if you detail your combo and measurements. Off the self stuff for custom fitment is very rare and you would have to be bloody lucky. As stated because modern cars have maximum track underneath their bodywork (handling reasons), most modern wheels just don't have the deep dish and are not suitable for use on a Torana.

Correct on the mounting flange....I had a buddy who used a similar big Mercedes brake setup on a twin turbo Plymouth, and he wanted to run Boyd Smoothie II's on it, but no way would the spoke designed clear the brakes. I was able to have a set custom cast with about an inch thicker mounting pad (or might have been 3/4" ?) and that let everything fit.
Another option...depending on the car itself of course is to run a brake rotor with more offset so it pulls the caliper further in. But that becomes an issue with chassis clearance of course after a point.

The late model cars as you mentioned run a huge back space wheel since the brakes are pushed far out, but they also do use a somewhat thick mounting pad on the wheel to help get things to clear. Look at a brake rotor for the later model Corvettes or new Camaros with the Brembo brake package and the discs and nearly flat. With most flat spoked aftermarket wheels there would ne a hard time to get things to clear.

And as you can see from all the above cool pictures..plenty of aftermarket wheels geared towards big brakes now a days...just cost is the only thing to get over on some of them. I like a bunch of them too, but my wheels just fell into place for not only the perfect look I wanted, but an amazing price as well. (but that is part of being in the wheel game and having the right contacts is all)

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#17 _LXSS350_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:51 AM

Wide track less scrub steer - its all about improved geometry. But yes the carbon ceramics have no depth on the hubs and big caliper offset.

Interesting you supplied the panels. They are out in Croydon?

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#18 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:01 AM

Can't remember everything off hand...I remember we got them a roof panel...the car has a steel hoodlining made from a roof skin basically, along with a few other things. They are the same panel shop Peter had used to paint the orange '69/'99 blown Camaro I built, along with a few other "good" cars.
Oh, and they are over in Kilsyth now..

That picture really shows the flat offset rotor package ! (but like you said...done for a reason)

Stylerod did my mate's son's car too...a super tidy '69 Camaro. They mini tubbed it along with the full paint (in blue) Car has our 20" x 12" on the back with 315 ? 335 ? tires..

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#19 _LXSS350_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:39 AM

Just about all of those pics above are mini-tubbed and 335/345 rears. The 69 Camaro standard can take a 10" wheel with 5.5"" backspace (rear) with an 8.5 and 5" back space (front). You can get a 275 rear and 245 front without major work on them. Pretty similar to a flared Torana.

If you have non stock brakes you have to triple check all measurements no matter which way you do it. Not rocket science just measurements - stay away from guesswork.

Stylerod look like they do decent work but I have not seen their work in person.

Those are Brembo 6 spot on a 15.5" rotor. Cost was $9k + freight for all 4 calipers,discs and hubs.

This is a good video of how they are made.

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#20 _CHOPPER_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:47 AM

Another option...depending on the car itself of course is to run a brake rotor with more offset so it pulls the caliper further in. But that becomes an issue with chassis clearance of course after a point.

The way around that is to use a custom hub so it pushes the disc further out.

Dead bloody easy!

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#21 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:52 AM

The further you push the brake hub and disc outward though, the less back spacing on the wheel you end up with, and get the late model car look with a ton of back spacing and no 'lip' to the front wheel which to me at least, looks odd...

Oh, and Stylerod stuff is very nice..I have seen a lot of them in person...they do good metal work as well aside from the paint too.

(will watch that video, should be interesting..)

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#22 _LXSS350_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:51 AM

When I set-up the AP's I worked backwards from the Kframe (upper control arm). At full lock I gave the caliper clearance of 20mm, that dictated the stub axle caliper mounting adaptor. With the caliper mount done that then gave me the hub depth from the stub axle hub adaptor. Then we just spun up some aluminium hats for the rotors. Brought several thousand dollars worth of 6061 T6 and 7075 T6 for various hubs, hats, brackets and mounts. By the time you get it machined and anodised its not cheap, but its very light and very strong.

Am using Titanium bolts brought from here:
http://www.probolt-a...m/titanium.html

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#23 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:58 AM

Did you price the bolts here as well ?

Everything else seems to be cheaper in America at least...

(Speaking of bolts, while not titanium...I hate to think what I spent on ARP stuff on mine!)

And sounds like the ideal way to set things up..sure wish I had that equiptment to use for projects, sure would open up lots of possibilities !
But just make do in the little garage with a heavy rock and couple tree branches for tools, lol..

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#24 _LXSS350_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:21 AM

Should have got them from the USA but as is usual forgot to order them on the last order. So to save time got them local. Its amazing how many times you forget the small things. Bit like some "idiot" ordered the calipers but forgot to order the pads. Guilty as charged and its bloody hard to kick your own ass.... LOL

Yes the well equipped big shed makes it easier.

98% of my stuff comes out of the USA due to the very poor quality of Australian busineses and the standard practice of overcharging which has become a complete joke. We are at $1.05 exchange rate not 0.50c.

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#25 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:50 AM

Its amazing how many times you forget the small things

Been there, done that...more times than I like to admit, haha... luckily at least the wait time here is shorter than there.

And with doing a container back this way again, I wish the dollar was back at .48 for a couple weeks, aside from that...the 1.05 helps. But I know alot of people there seem to still be priced at around .70 rate.