I am in the Sydney Torana Club. if it makes it will be a biege lh big stock piece of pooh.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 03:51 PM
if it makes it will be a biege lh big stock piece of pooh.
Square headlights?
Any other distinguishable features to narrow it down from all the other beige LH's?
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 04:04 PM
Round front lights, number plate starting with HKH should do it.I am in the Sydney Torana Club. if it makes it will be a biege lh big stock piece of pooh.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 04:45 PM
I have met this guy, good panel beater who recently completed a ground up resto on a friend's LH Torana. I saw the car in primer but haven't seen it since it was painted, but another mutual friend in the trade has & told me it came out really well. When i met him, he was currently employed full time in a prestige smash repair shop. He has a large shed on his property & was doing his restos there after hours & on weekends, i'm assuming he is still doing this.Maybe someone can give this guy a job? Seems passionate and experienced enough and in Sydney
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 04:51 PM
I asked a restoration shop in Adelaide how much to rebuild my car, drive it in drive it out.. The costs below are really cosmetic only, no suspension, brakes, or engine mods.
Sand blasting the entire shell inside and out, hatch doors, panels, nose, double skinned area’s of the bonnet only, hatch. $3K
Paint is around the $12K to $15K, that may increase depending on what you want to do with under side, eg suspension components, diff etc
As for the body that is a really hard one, as you know even good lx models have their issues and they are getting old, I would imagine there would be at least 160 hours in panel work.
Pulling a vehicle apart is the fastest part of the remove and replace process, all parts are logged and lots of images taken, around about a 8 day exercise, putting it back together is around a 4 to 6 week exercise, this part cant be rushed when you are dealing with new restored parts.
Our hourly rate is $88.00 an hour( GST inc) plus materials and consumables, invoiced weekly. We find this works well for both partys, as you can keep a check on what your spending and we have a cash flow, we take hundreds of images of all the work we do and give you a copy on completion, this is of great value if you ever decide to sell the car, as it shows the car has been restored to a high standard.
If you have any other questions please dont hesitate to call me.
You will need to choose a restoration facility very carefully.
Sand blasting the entire shell inside and out, hatch doors, panels, nose, double skinned area’s of the bonnet only, hatch. $3K
Paint is around the $12K to $15K, that may increase depending on what you want to do with under side, eg suspension components, diff etc
As for the body that is a really hard one, as you know even good lx models have their issues and they are getting old, I would imagine there would be at least 160 hours in panel work.
Pulling a vehicle apart is the fastest part of the remove and replace process, all parts are logged and lots of images taken, around about a 8 day exercise, putting it back together is around a 4 to 6 week exercise, this part cant be rushed when you are dealing with new restored parts.
Our hourly rate is $88.00 an hour( GST inc) plus materials and consumables, invoiced weekly. We find this works well for both partys, as you can keep a check on what your spending and we have a cash flow, we take hundreds of images of all the work we do and give you a copy on completion, this is of great value if you ever decide to sell the car, as it shows the car has been restored to a high standard.
If you have any other questions please dont hesitate to call me.
You will need to choose a restoration facility very carefully.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:13 PM
When i started my panel beating apprenticeship there were 30 apprentices in my tech class. When i finished, there were six left. Read the Sydney Morning Herald or Daily Telegraph most any weekend & on average there are 12-15+ panel beating jobs advertised. Why? Because it is a dying trade that very few people want to do. When a second year plumbing or concreter apprentice can earn more per week than a first year qualified panel beater or painter, why would anyone consider a career in this trade? Little wonder good panel beaters & spraypainters are in such demand & the employers have to pay them good money to keep them. Out of twenty or so beaters i've worked with, only three had any kind of pride or passion for their work, the rest were either average or butchers who didn't give a crap & were only there to get a wage. One thing they almost all had in common was no interest in doing restos. Can't say i blame them, i'm not far off leaving this trade either. I don't get the same satisfaction from it anymore, especially since working in a resto shop. No matter how much care, pride & passion i put into a job, i never hear any positives, all i hear is complaints & negatives & despite what has been claimed in this thread, the wages aren't that good. I take home $150pw more than the unskilled labourer/detailer at my work.
Try working in the sign industry... No one ever says "good job, it looks nice"..always "that much for that"????
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:23 PM
Try working in the sign industry... No one ever says "good job, it looks nice"..always "that much for that"????
A friend cops the same, he does stained glass, he's had a few bad injuries too, he quotes reasonably cheap compared to the others and when people complain he gets annoyed and says, 'go somewhere else if you can get it cheaper'.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:28 PM
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Sand blasting the entire shell inside and out, hatch doors, panels, nose, double skinned area’s of the bonnet only, hatch. $3K Im doing it myself, cost so far including sanblaster. $300 wont need anything more as i reuse the sand.
Paint is around the $12K to $15K, Me doing myself in Acrylic with epoxy undercoat/POR 15 inside and out. $2000-3000.
I would imagine there would be at least 160 hours in panel work. Roughly 480 hours so far,, all rust cust out and being very fussy.. Im no pro..
Learning as I go.
Pulling a vehicle apart 2 days, 12 beers
hourly rate my own time
You will need to choose a restoration facility very carefully. I think easier said than done...
Sand blasting the entire shell inside and out, hatch doors, panels, nose, double skinned area’s of the bonnet only, hatch. $3K Im doing it myself, cost so far including sanblaster. $300 wont need anything more as i reuse the sand.
Paint is around the $12K to $15K, Me doing myself in Acrylic with epoxy undercoat/POR 15 inside and out. $2000-3000.
I would imagine there would be at least 160 hours in panel work. Roughly 480 hours so far,, all rust cust out and being very fussy.. Im no pro..
Learning as I go.
Pulling a vehicle apart 2 days, 12 beers
hourly rate my own time
You will need to choose a restoration facility very carefully. I think easier said than done...
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:33 PM
Why dont you suss him out to paint your LH?I have met this guy, good panel beater who recently completed a ground up resto on a friend's LH Torana. I saw the car in primer but haven't seen it since it was painted, but another mutual friend in the trade has & told me it came out really well. When i met him, he was currently employed full time in a prestige smash repair shop. He has a large shed on his property & was doing his restos there after hours & on weekends, i'm assuming he is still doing this.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:11 PM
I have met this guy, good panel beater who recently completed a ground up resto on a friend's LH Torana. I saw the car in primer but haven't seen it since it was painted, but another mutual friend in the trade has & told me it came out really well. When i met him, he was currently employed full time in a prestige smash repair shop. He has a large shed on his property & was doing his restos there after hours & on weekends, i'm assuming he is still doing this.
this guys one of my close mates and a brilliant panel beater& restorer been around for a long while and works very quick with great results,..no his 70s car very well...done most amcs ford gts for them but has stopped doing there work a while back..in his ad his he has a picture of my burgundy L34 and my mates orchid L34 which were done at his work...
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He is a panel beater, not a painter. From my understanding he paints too but not sure if he does 2K as well as acrylic. Another point is that i already have the paint for my car in PPG & some painters prefer to use their own system such as Spies Hecker, Glasurit, De Beers etc so it would be better to find a painter who is familiar with PPG & likes to use it. At this stage i'm undecided what to do with the car, alot of people have stated in this thread that a full resto in/out is only worth $15-20K max, i've done all the ground work on my car right up to the hi-fill stage, does this mean i should only expect to pay $3-4K for the block & paint? Considering it is 2K clear over silver/black base & there is at least a day's masking to do the SL/R striping, let alone all the blocking & booth hire etc, my experience tells me $3-4K won't be enough.Why dont you suss him out to paint your LH?
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 07:34 PM
Fair call. You know more than anyone how much work is involved. A friend of mine got his Fraud coupe (same as mine) painted in Sydney for 4k similar to yours in terms of how much work is involved. He supplied his own paints too. Guys like this don't advertise they dont need to.He is a panel beater, not a painter. From my understanding he paints too but not sure if he does 2K as well as acrylic. Another point is that i already have the paint for my car in PPG & some painters prefer to use their own system such as Spies Hecker, Glasurit, De Beers etc so it would be better to find a painter who is familiar with PPG & likes to use it. At this stage i'm undecided what to do with the car, alot of people have stated in this thread that a full resto in/out is only worth $15-20K max, i've done all the ground work on my car right up to the hi-fill stage, does this mean i should only expect to pay $3-4K for the block & paint? Considering it is 2K clear over silver/black base & there is at least a day's masking to do the SL/R striping, let alone all the blocking & booth hire etc, my experience tells me $3-4K won't be enough.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:17 PM
The way i look at it is like this:
I dont have the skills to restore a car... Not only dont i have the skills, i dont have the tools, space, time or patience for it.
People like Matt do, as do the specialist workshops who do this kind of work.
If i want something done outside my skill set then i have to pay someone who DOES have those above listed items.
The thing is.... how much do you value their work?
THAT will ultimately give you the answer to this thread.
I know i'd be happy to pay someone like matt to repair my car, and if that was 20K to get it to the AGREED LEVEL, then so be it.
A job is worth what you are willing to pay, and i know there are PLENTY out there willing to take advantage of the higher incomes that seem to be around with some people.
Also remember that those people with these skills are trying to not only do their job, but make a living from it too.
As someone mentioned above they are entitled to pay their costs and take some profit home as much as we are entitled to take our "profit" home from work too.
I just hope to find people who dont want to "buy another boat" or "retire" on my bill alone!
I dont have the skills to restore a car... Not only dont i have the skills, i dont have the tools, space, time or patience for it.
People like Matt do, as do the specialist workshops who do this kind of work.
If i want something done outside my skill set then i have to pay someone who DOES have those above listed items.
The thing is.... how much do you value their work?
THAT will ultimately give you the answer to this thread.
I know i'd be happy to pay someone like matt to repair my car, and if that was 20K to get it to the AGREED LEVEL, then so be it.
A job is worth what you are willing to pay, and i know there are PLENTY out there willing to take advantage of the higher incomes that seem to be around with some people.
Also remember that those people with these skills are trying to not only do their job, but make a living from it too.
As someone mentioned above they are entitled to pay their costs and take some profit home as much as we are entitled to take our "profit" home from work too.
I just hope to find people who dont want to "buy another boat" or "retire" on my bill alone!
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Like many people, i earn enough to pay my bills, contribute to supporting my family & if i'm frugal & sacrifice some luxuries, i have enough left from time to time to spend on my hobby. I'm certainly not getting rich out of my trade, if anything it is what makes it affordable for me to have my hobby. I don't own a house, boat or a new 4WD or anything such, i drive a busted arse VS V6 ute for daily transport & my three Toranas are all i really have to show for my life in terms of material possesions. Not that they are anything special either, but they are mine & i'm comfortable in the knowledge that i worked my ass of to get them where they are today.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:44 PM
You should be very proud of what you have built mate, and moreover you have a happy family and that is worth more than money can give.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:46 PM
It's much the same with any trade, if you need plumbing done, you have ti call a plumber, very few of us have the skills, tools and knowledge to tackle that job themselves, and we dont like paying for it, but hat choice is there!
And if you do have a choice in that hypothetical above, then go for it! You won't be the person who complains about the cost because you know why it's like to have your arm up a poo pipe!
And if you do have a choice in that hypothetical above, then go for it! You won't be the person who complains about the cost because you know why it's like to have your arm up a poo pipe!
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Personally i'd prefer to pay some other bastard $150 an hour to play with my shit than play with my shit myself, so thats the perfect example Tiny.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:17 PM
if you need plumbing done, you have to call a plumber .. and we dont like paying for it, but what choice is there!
When you find a good plumber stick to them. There's shonks, there's rip-offs but there are some decent ones, there is a choice but you have to shop around, ask people who they use, etc.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:40 PM
That 'profit' is what us business owners call wages.Also remember that those people with these skills are trying to not only do their job, but make a living from it too.
As someone mentioned above they are entitled to pay their costs and take some profit home as much as we are entitled to take our "profit" home from work too.
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serious?Bullshit Quag,
maybe the underground guys are in a dangerous profession, but this is open cut, wide rolling hills of dirt mining that I am talking about.
I'd say the most dangerous professions in the country would be bouncing, police, firies, ambos etc....
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actually, I think truck driving would have to be the most life threatening job in the country.....
Dont get me wrong, mining is doing wonders for the economy, but dont bullshit on like they are heros going to war... 80%+ of those that head to the mines to get the "big dollars" are in related jobs that never see the underground...
bouncing .police fires and truck driving?
actually trucks fall under transport/logistics/wharehousing
so i'll give you that one...but as usual you missed my point....
if you don't like your pay packet...increase your hours...or pay 5k for the courses and join em
but don't bag em out cause they chose a different lifestyle than you
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:02 PM
Couldnt agree with you more quag everybody chooses there own life in this world you want you pay pretty simple
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:08 PM
You guys havnt been to a mine site recently have you??
Theres about 50 OH&S officers for every worker now days.
Probably safer than sitting in your couch playing playstation.
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Theres about 50 OH&S officers for every worker now days.
Probably safer than sitting in your couch playing playstation.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:20 PM
They done the coarse dj thats there job like i said anybody can do it but you got to get off your arse
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Um, no, not really Gene.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 11:51 PM
Miners don't just get paid for the danger, they get paid to be away from their family, friends, home, cars, pets, hobbies, etc etc for weeks at a time... If you've never worked FIFO, you've really got no grounds to comment...
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