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[Mort]

Thanks Quag and Tim for sticking up for the miners, not many people do these days we seem to get blamed for everything around here these days,

I joined the mines wanting to drive trucks and had to start at the bottom as a TA 22yrs ago. I was a TA for boiler makers then went on to TA for field fitters and leccys and i can tell you it wasn't big money then, now i'm an operator and on "the big money".

You used to get paid in your skill set and even the truck drivers got paid according to the horsepower of the truck they drove.

I am lucky enough to live in the town with my family and friends and have not had anything to do with FIFO/DIDO and don't want to entertain the idea.

Before i became "a rich miner" ( have only met a couple ), i worked in the real world for 7 years after school washing dishes, mowing lawns, shop assistant, etc, so i respect the money i get and the job i have unlike a lot of the young ones these days who have landed the "big money" jobs and haven't had to fight/strike for it.

Ok, back on track, would it be possible to make a list of the panelbeater/painter/upholsterers that we have used and trust to aid in a search for future members/newbies to find easily, like a sticky or pin or what ever (one for the putter geeks to sort out), or has it already been done and i'm too tired to look.

Edited by Mort, 12 September 2012 - 09:12 AM.

[dattoman]

Just cause the offices are filled with qualified OH+S people doesn't make the jobsite or line of work safe
It means they have admitted its not and put people there to try to educate people to work safely
However this is not always the case

But really... who cares
Paintjobs are expensive ... find yourself a good restorer and hang onto them
I firmly believe you get what you pay for... and if you don't think your getting value for money.... move on to the next guy and try again

[orangeLJ]

serious?
bouncing .police fires and truck driving?
actually trucks fall under transport/logistics/wharehousing
so i'll give you that one...but as usual you missed my point....
if you don't like your pay packet...increase your hours...or pay 5k for the courses and join em
but don't bag em out cause they chose a different lifestyle than you

Salary mate....

I can (and often do) work 20 hours overtime a week and still end up with the same pay packet, joys of the corporate world.... Its got nothing to do with "choosing a different lifestyle"

And "as usual" you missed the point of what I originally said.

Its the machine operators and lollypop men that get my goat up. They have frOck all experience, they know how to operate the machines or "manage traffic" (couple days to get their ticket) yet they can demand such high wages... and for what?

The only reason the mines came into my gripe was the singleton experience (and anyone who knows singleton, its not FIFO... its a couple hours away at most.... so that argument goes out the window) and the fact they requested my uncle raised his quote to them to cover paying his operators a shitload more than the already above award they are getting...




I enjoy my job,

[Swarbs]

Been watching this thread with interest as i am / have gone down the path of paying for a restoration
The car is about two weeks off paint

Would have loved to do the job myself but time, work and not having a place to do it made it impossible
I feel i am doing it myself as to fund it i have upped the anti at work by putting in big hours for the last five months to try and keep the bank ballance(and mrs Swarbs) happy

Went to a few restoration mobs -- mind you i only wanted panel and paint
Found one i was confident with after visiting there and spent a day hanging round like a bad smell

They charge me a fixed rate which includes all labour and consumables
So regarless if they are digging body filler out or putting a final top coat of paint on - it costs the same - all inclusive

The blokes are commited and dont touch anything but the old cars and pride themselves on the quality of product they put out so there is no such thing as a half job and only do 4 or five cars a year

So yes expensive but i beleive in the long run as far as time goes and knowing i will be handed a first class product ... well worth it
All i have to do then is put the car back together and i find the challenge then will to be to match the quality of what i have paid for

[RIM-010]

I work 'in the mines', it just happens that my mine is 50km from home. I'm home every night, I work week on/week off, 12.5 hour days, and take home $2300/fortnight... I'm got a few tickets, but plenty of people I work with are on the same money or more with nothing more than a car license...

Am I overpaid? Yes. Am I underworked?
Undoubtedly. Would I have it any other way? Not in a million years!

[sibhs]

I disagree with the statement that "panel beaters get more money doing insurance work!"
Now I have read most of this thread but not all, so I'm presuming this hasn't been covered.

I recently had my 4by repaired after a prang and got the breakdown of costs which is pictured below. Hope you can read it.

This shows that they're charging out at $33ph plus GST (does go up to $55 for painting) whereas most restorers charge $80 plus, so why wouldn't a panel beater want some creamy restoration work? Yes, it's more time consuming than bolting on a new panel and painting it but when you charge by the hour, who cares?.......

This paperwork is from a Perth panel beater with over inflated living expenses to survive with. I presume the $33 rate is just cause they know it's regular work coming in the door but they also have to guarantee this repair for the life of the car.

Panel beaters/spray painters, your thoughts please....

Marty

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[enderwigginau]

The only reason the mines came into my gripe was the singleton experience (and anyone who knows singleton, its not FIFO... its a couple hours away at most.... so that argument goes out the window) and the fact they requested my uncle raised his quote to them to cover paying his operators a shitload more than the already above award they are getting...

Chris, the "agreed rate" is so that they get paid as much as the company men.........it's often to protect the contracting companies from losing staff and the company running the show having a dozen blokes hassling them for jobs.........
That said, you get paid a shit bunch more to cope with the environment and conditions compared to working in town. Some conditions are a bit rubbish tho - many companies include travel in your "off-time" so that week off could lose up to two days......some companies advertise a "package" value - and take your transport costs out of that.......I don't want to get into that game, but I'm massively over qualified for anything in town so may need to at least do something temporarily......

Really, I don't want to be paying a premium cos Joe Blogs got himself a new oven or booth.......that's a business decision, not a "let's charge the next ten customers 6-8000 more to cover that eh" deal.......
Most shops that deal in insurance work charge like a wounded bull for resto work cos it's not profitable to them. Rather pop a plastic bumper out and spray on the car than spend days pulling a steel car apart just to paint one thing.......

There are good guys out there, but you can't be mates or use mates and expect not to still pay something reasonable anyway.........

Grant..

[StephenSLR]

As For mining i don't see how it can have such large pay. Most of the jobs are not dangerous and the amount of safety shit they would go through before they even start work would cover most things that could go wrong.

No matter how much safety training you put people through, restrictions, etc. there will always be injuries and deaths on worksites.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

s

Edited by StephenSLR, 13 September 2012 - 09:06 AM.

[Mort]

Sorry guys, according to our bosses there is no such thing as common sense at Goonyella.

[RIM-010]

We're not ALLOWED to use common sense in mines any more...