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#151 TerrA LX

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

^ Geez, so their either gonna take 100hrs to spray your car or they are charging $500per hour to do it in a day.

It's no wonder why I would rather do it myself.

I thought the usual charge for a spray day was about $1000??? or do you still have to know someone for those rates?

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#152 _Viper_

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

Can't really comment on that without knowing the details, what brand of paint? Solid color or a 2 tone candy? Closed door job or floor, engine bay, jams and outside. Color sanded and buffed?

People scoff at the prices without even knowing what is actually involved with what needs to be done.

Altho if is is just a basic solid color with a cheaper brand paint with no color sanding then yea 5k is Abit rich

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#153 TerrA LX

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

^ I'm taking it as Matt's metallic silver Torana, as Matt said, all paint materials supplied, just needs final cut back, mask and paint, days work. $500hr.

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#154 _LH SLR 3300_

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:31 AM

Block back hi-fill P180-P320-P400-P800, mask, apply silver base, mask second colour (SL/R black stripes) apply clear, bake etc. Paint in PPG Deltron COB with D8120 HS clear.

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#155 TerrA LX

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:33 AM

^ tat does take a bit longer, day and a half?

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#156 torana_nick

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

I am assuming materials alone would be getting close to $3000
So 5k I'd be happy to pay that. That's what I am hoping to get my LH painted for after
a mate will do the minor filler work then will hi fill it and hand it over.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

I did my lc at home and hired a spray booth for the final spray of colour and clear. Was told later that the result was a $25k paint job by the owner of the shop we hired the booth from. So i was quite happy with my workman ship at home on all the prep over 12 months. Now the car has been on the road for 12 months and still looks fantastic.
Cost $4000-$5000.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

Good read this thread!

I think a good paint job on a car is worth every cent! Some places do charge a premium for their work, but if it's that good, and people are willing to pay it, then why not charge it?

I find it amusing that everyone else seems to have the same problems with others undervaluing their work! I work in the design industry, and laugh when people ask me to design a logo, or business card or something for them and want me to do it basically for free!

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#159 _mikecatts_

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

Good read this thread!

I think a good paint job on a car is worth every cent! Some places do charge a premium for their work, but if it's that good, and people are willing to pay it, then why not charge it?

I find it amusing that everyone else seems to have the same problems with others undervaluing their work! I work in the design industry, and laugh when people ask me to design a logo, or business card or something for them and want me to do it basically for free!

Try the sign industry.. Its the same. .want everything but not willing to pay..Tis why Im getting out..

My car will cost me around 2k just for materials..In acrylic... No labour.. Im doing myself..

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#160 TerrA LX

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

With all prep work done, for a cut back, mask and blast show finish I was getting quotes from 4K to 10K, the cheapest being a mate who didn't even really want to paint it cause he knows how fussy I am.

I'm just trying to put the hours into prospective, 50hrs@ $100hr seems about right to me.

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#161 _LH SLR 3300_

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

I did my lc at home and hired a spray booth for the final spray of colour and clear. Was told later that the result was a $25k paint job by the owner of the shop we hired the booth from. So i was quite happy with my workman ship at home on all the prep over 12 months. Now the car has been on the road for 12 months and still looks fantastic.
Cost $4000-$5000.

That's about on the mark what both my Orchid & Saffron LHs cost to paint.

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#162 _LH SLR 3300_

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

^ tat does take a bit longer, day and a half?

I would imagine a week. There is close to a day just masking the car for the SL/R stripes, black sills, beaver etc. To my standards anyhow, i'm very particular about how the LH SL/R pin stripes are done, i took plenty of pics before i stripped the car, along with measurements. I have no issue paying for the time involved in doing it right first time.

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#163 _moot_

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

i had a vs commodore painted last year.its done in sikens,i gave it to a young painter green and had it back in 2 weeks in a mazda pearl blue.inside and out cost me 3k.

my torana cost me about 15k and 12 months to do, 8 years ago.

the commodore is better than the torana lol and the body on the commodore was worse than the torana.

and then.... my little ke30 corolla copped a big dollar paint job in house of kolor kandy by 'one of australias leading painters' and its an absolute abortion.so bad i'm taking it to the blasters to start again

you dont always get what you pay for

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:30 AM

I do agree moot!

My real question is how do you find someone to do the job?
I've been stung in the past, and seen many people who have gone to places that have had good reputations, only to end up with a shit job!

I sure don't mind paying the right price for the right job, it just kills me when you pay good money and get burnt!

Unfortunately with something like paint and panel, we all have seen the two extremes of quality, finish, care and cost.

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#165 RIM-010

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:47 AM

Put it this way:

Is petrol overpriced?

Probably, but you either A: pay for it because you don't have an alternative, B: don't pay for it, and walk/ride a bike etc, or C: find the cheapest fuel you can find and use that, even though you know it isn't good for your car.

It's the same with getting something done on your car - you can pay a reputable tradesman to do it, do it yourself or pay someone peanuts to do it, and know that it isn't going to be done well.

I can't understand why people are even still talking about this? Complaining that trades are expensive is like complaining that new Clubsports are expensive...

"well, I can't afford to buy an $80 000 car, but I want one, so I'll just whinge about how expensive they are and hopefully someone will listen."

Paying people to build cars is expensive! Always has been, always will be...

TL;DR? Cars are expensive, get over it.

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#166 _mikecatts_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:50 AM

Easy guys...do it your self...If you stuff up, just rub back and do again..You can afford to as you are not paying overinflated wages..Just takes a bit of initative to do..

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:52 AM

^ I like this guy.

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#168 _mikecatts_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:00 AM

^ I like this guy.

are you my stalker

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#169 _moot_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:01 AM

its cheaper for me to pay someone to do it,than stop work to do it myself....

besides,i can get a decent finish but not to the standard i want/need. half the tradies cant do that either it seems :banghead:

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#170 _ooLo31_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:03 AM

i had a friend that was a auto electrician his boss told him that they had to get a minimun of $1000 per
customer .he said how ? example (old ladie comes in with a blown headlight fuse he tells her the fuse blew
because the alt was over charging so replace alt but i cant warranty the alt because the starter might me pushing to
many amps when its kicking over so replace the starter and bulls..t like that)they were getting around 1k per customer my mate
lasted there a week .he couldnt keep ripping off people ..by the way the boss had 3 shops.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:15 AM

Mike, if I was stalking you, I would've picked up the skills needed to fix my Prem by now!

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#172 _Viper_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:34 AM

i had a friend that was a auto electrician his boss told him that they had to get a minimun of $1000 per
customer .he said how ? example (old ladie comes in with a blown headlight fuse he tells her the fuse blew
because the alt was over charging so replace alt but i cant warranty the alt because the starter might me pushing to
many amps when its kicking over so replace the starter and bulls..t like that)they were getting around 1k per customer my mate
lasted there a week .he couldnt keep ripping off people ..by the way the boss had 3 shops.

Thats the sort of people that give others in the trade a bad name, and no doubt there is some panel and paint shops out there that do over inflate prices just to make more money

Block back hi-fill P180-P320-P400-P800, mask, apply silver base, mask second colour (SL/R black stripes) apply clear, bake etc. Paint in PPG Deltron COB with D8120 HS clear.

Just to block sand the whole car in those 4 stages, (we would actually do 120, 240, 400, 600, 800) would take a few days, even then he would have 2-3 guys on it so thats around 60-90hrs just there and assuming the panels are dead straight, there is no major burn throughs etc, The larger panels dont take so long but its the door jams, insides of the doors, engine bay, underneath the bonnet etc etc fiddly bits that take forever They may even have to spray a few coats of hi-fill to get the build they need? Im talking about near on show quality here too..

Spraying the silver paint would be a days work for 1 painter and maybe a offsider to help with masking etc 8-16hrs, 1 bloke to mask it all up. to be perfect near on a full day 6hrs, Another day to spray the black and clear 8hrs

Im not sure what they charge to bake in a oven as we dont have one ourselves, lets just say 2hrs

Then a few hours to denib the car, and cut out any runs if you happened to get a one 3hrs

all the while hoping there isnt any defects like fish eyes, solvent boil, a finger print you missed, dirt inclusion, major run, find a dent you misssed and can only see in the gloss, mottlyness in the metalic if there is any of the above need to make the decision to deliver a imperfect job or take it on your own back and redo the section for free.... or do you allow for this in the quoting?

87-125hours right there, even at 50 an hour (which is dirt cheap) is $4350 - $6250

Plus the cost of materials which would be close to $2000

So thats actually a fairly good price.. id say they would be rushing the sanding a little to get on target

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#173 _Viper_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:58 AM

If you didnt want to be quite as picky on the inside of the panels you could drop the hours for the sanding considerably

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#174 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

100-200 hours is pretty average for a full respray to reasonable standard from my experience.

If the body is #@$^%& or if there are rust repairs to be done double that

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#175 _LH SLR 3300_

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:24 AM

Thats the sort of people that give others in the trade a bad name, and no doubt there is some panel and paint shops out there that do over inflate prices just to make more money

Just to block sand the whole car in those 4 stages, (we would actually do 120, 240, 400, 600, 800) would take a few days, even then he would have 2-3 guys on it so thats around 60-90hrs just there and assuming the panels are dead straight, there is no major burn throughs etc, The larger panels dont take so long but its the door jams, insides of the doors, engine bay, underneath the bonnet etc etc fiddly bits that take forever They may even have to spray a few coats of hi-fill to get the build they need? Im talking about near on show quality here too..

Spraying the silver paint would be a days work for 1 painter and maybe a offsider to help with masking etc 8-16hrs, 1 bloke to mask it all up. to be perfect near on a full day 6hrs, Another day to spray the black and clear 8hrs

Im not sure what they charge to bake in a oven as we dont have one ourselves, lets just say 2hrs

Then a few hours to denib the car, and cut out any runs if you happened to get a one 3hrs

all the while hoping there isnt any defects like fish eyes, solvent boil, a finger print you missed, dirt inclusion, major run, find a dent you misssed and can only see in the gloss, mottlyness in the metalic if there is any of the above need to make the decision to deliver a imperfect job or take it on your own back and redo the section for free.... or do you allow for this in the quoting?

87-125hours right there, even at 50 an hour (which is dirt cheap) is $4350 - $6250

Plus the cost of materials which would be close to $2000

So thats actually a fairly good price.. id say they would be rushing the sanding a little to get on target

Right on the money. I have already hi-filled the car, so i plan to start with P120 & go over it again with P180 before i'll re-prime the car. As i'm a panel beater, not a painter, i'd prefer to pay whoever paints the car to re-block it. Of course if i have missed a ripple or dent, that'll add time extra time etc. Depending on the painter's preference, once the whole car is blocked & ready for paint, i'll either have them apply Scan sealer or DP4000 to seal any rub throughs & reduce the risk or chance of any fry ups. Then once all the final paint has been applied & cured, i'll have the whole car cut back starting with P1200, P1500, P2000 followed by P3000 & then maybe P4000. Again, painters preference, then buffed & swirl removed. But then the painter may wish to "flow coat" then de-nib & buff. As i have put plenty of hours into getting the body straight, including re-skinning all four doors with NOS skins & perfecting the panel gaps/alignment, i want the final paint to do the car justice. Might also add that silvers & light metallics are the hardest to apply, they'll either mottle or "stand up" so i have no problem paying for the time & skill involved in doing the job right & to my satisfaction, even if it ends up costing alot more than $5000.