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[rodomo]

Perhaps some well known, half bit, rich celebrity types are needed? Think... They need to be known, of reasonable stature in the community, rich and love cars....

Mr Bean?

[S pack]

Maybe we could all start by emailing a copy of that report to our members of State Parliament.
A carefully worded and polite introduction in your email and why you think the current hooning laws (that were introduced and tinkered with by previous governments) should be scrapped or at least softened would be prudent. We don't want to sound like uneducated hoons now do we.
Might at the very least let them know they need to listen to their constituents.

[S pack]

why be nice?
just say if if you don't change em you'll vote for the other guy/girl.....

You want them to actually read the report don't you?
I'd start with being diplomatic, if they choose to ignore me or give me the usual bullshit road safety spiel, tow the government line type answer then I'll advise them to start looking for another job LOL.

[Ice]

Just a suggestion but can we start an online petition start with us good folk on the torana forum and spread the news across all other car and automotive related business to revolt against these stupid laws and prove to them that most car clubs raise money for charity just take toranafest $22000.00 for ronald mcdonald house not bad for a weekend car show so can you see my point we have to prove to them that we do good and not bad and throw these stupid hoon laws away

by the way can you imagine how many signatures we could get if someone put this into plan

just a thought

[Shtstr]

From what i see with the new laws. Is they are tring to stop all the idiots on the road. The only problem with that is the ones who do the right thing will be done aswell for nothing but the police officer has a quoter to make and will use these laws to pin anyone and everyone. As the new laws say you can be done just about anywhere.
I'm sure ther would be quite a few members on here who have been pulled up over the years and pinned for something that they had not done just so a cop can make his or her quoter. I know i have been done but it is not worth the cost of day of work and other money to fight some of the stupid shit they come up with. I have had witness in several cases and they to have been harresed when speaking up about what the cop is about to give me a fine for..
If we don't take a stand and have some of the rules changed (NOT ALL OF THEM) then we are screwed and might aswell just all go but cheap shit box's and let the cops take them.
IOf there is a on line poll put up it will get my name on it to have some of the law changed but not all of it. Same goes for new place's for young people to take their cars to, ie public burn out pads and public drag tracks for use of at low cost.

[TerrA LX]

Torbirdie, are you telling me that, for example, you've just $80,000 on a 5 year full rebuild on your Torana, to take it out for a drive, and unintentionally spun the wheels in a gravel spot or even in the wet, might only be for a split second, police officer sees or hears it. At his discretion, impounds your car for 3 months, then you get your car back, and they get you again, maybe for the same thing, and they don't confiscate it, you forfeit it to the crown, for something purely accidental. I can see how this law really works well.

I doubt that would ever happen, any law has to be fair and reasonable.

[enderwigginau]

I doubt that would ever happen, any law has to be fair and reasonable.

And that is the point......
These laws are not fair and reasonable, and they also give Police prosecution powers over an offence, removing the judicial system from the loop - these are the reasons they have been quashed by the Judiciary in SA.

A certain member would have everyone continue to believe the spiel that the media dribbles, that all modified cars, their owners, and anything you can hear coming from over the hill should be cut up, crushed, melted down and then sold to the Chinese so they can sell it back to us as quiet and useful household appliances........
No one here doubts there is a noisy minority that causes issues, and makes stupid, ill-considered comments when interviewed (and the made up beat-ups to perpetuate this) bu8ut the point that said member fails to even acknowledge, is that the powers to be provided by these laws turns the Police into judge, jury and executioner.....at their own (not always fair and educated) discretion.....so the MANY people just out for a cruise who cause no issues, and have no complaints made about them, but get slapped with canaries for no reason other than "being there" may now have their vehicle removed at great financial impost, or worse crushed......

You do 200kph down the M1 you deserve to lose your car.........but letting repeat drink drivers continue to own and run a vehicle, but taking away some poor young kids car because he made two mistakes that cannot be shown to be a regular occurence is neither fair nor reasonable.

Perhaps some people should sell up any classic/old (in media- and gov-speak 10+yrs old) cars and buy the next 60kph max speed Korean four-pot, speed limit their wheel chairs and turn their hearing aids down to ensure these issues have no effect for them.

Grant..

[orangeLJ]

Illegal street racing a minor offence? When the results a be like this:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/three-hurt-as-crash-ends-200kmh-street-race-20120903-2595j.html

Anyone who takes any of the above seriously after that pearler has rocks in their head. Whilst the number oaf accidents in total from hooning is a small % of the total , that doesn't make hooning safe! You could make the same stupid argument for justifying the carnage in high speed police chases, its ok because it doesnt kill that many compared to the overall toll, or that murder is ok because it is only a small % of the number that die from natural causes. Yes deaths caused by hooning is close enough to murder for me.


Also look up the background of the ONE contrarian "expert" that is being quoted , Michael Henderson........all he appears to be looking out for is that he might get one of his classic race cars crushed when he is picked up doing his next Italian tune up.

Tracy Grimshaw? is that you?


I can add numerous horror stories of what happens to cars in impound yards (which, if memory serves me correct, are PRIVATELY run sub contractors...)

[S pack]

Illegal street racing a minor offence? When the results a be like this:
http://www.theage.co...0903-2595j.html

Anyone who takes any of the above seriously after that pearler has rocks in their head. Whilst the number oaf accidents in total from hooning is a small % of the total , that doesn't make hooning safe! You could make the same stupid argument for justifying the carnage in high speed police chases, its ok because it doesnt kill that many compared to the overall toll, or that murder is ok because it is only a small % of the number that die from natural causes. Yes deaths caused by hooning is close enough to murder for me.


Also look up the background of the ONE contrarian "expert" that is being quoted , Michael Henderson........all he appears to be looking out for is that he might get one of his classic race cars crushed when he is picked up doing his next Italian tune up.

Oh I'm so sorry, I forgot that statistical information is irrelevant.

And I presume this is the Dr Michael Henderson that you wish to discredit.

 henderson_bio.pdf   550.02K   5 downloads

Edited by S pack, 14 November 2012 - 02:10 PM.

[S pack]

Illegal street racing a minor offence? When the results a be like this:
http://www.theage.co...0903-2595j.html

^^^ Totally agree, that sort of stupidity is not a minor offence.
Interesting to note that the media have not seen fit to use the term HOONS at least once in that report. Maybe dickheads driving Mercedes motor cars at ridiculously high speed down suburban streets are not classified as Hoons? If they were Nissans Skylines or classic Aussie muscle cars I'll bet the headline would have read something like this 'Hoons involved in 200kph horror street race crash'.
And the word HOON would have been mentioned at least another 5 times or more in the report.

Edited by S pack, 14 November 2012 - 02:30 PM.

[TerrA LX]

And that is the point......
These laws are not fair and reasonable, and they also give Police prosecution powers over an offence, removing the judicial system from the loop - these are the reasons they have been quashed by the Judiciary in SA.

I don't quite follow, maybe I missed something, can they impound your car if you have not committed an offence?

[orangeLJ]

I don't quite follow, maybe I missed something, can they impound your car if you have not committed an offence?

If you get booked speeding, do you have to give the police officer your money right then and there?

NO.

you have 30 days to elect to take it to court and fight the severity of the punishment or the charge altogether if you believe it to be incorrect....

by impounding someones vehicle, you remove that whole "innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW"

the police are applying the penalty before the judicial system is able to do what it is there for. The police are there to enforce the law and pass on offenders to the court system who will then decide adequate penalty and guilt.

These days the police only need SUSPICION of street racing or burnouts to fine and/or impound your car. In an area where burnouts are reported? you're screwed. same thing for street racing.

[S pack]

On the subject of vehicle impounding & forfeiture, this how it is currently carried out according to Clarity Law.
This info is taken from their web page.

Presumably Can Do Newman wants to bypass or force the courts to automatically grant forfeiture of vehicles with his proposed legislative amendments. What's happened in SA has stuffed up his plans for the moment.

VEHICLE FORFEITURE

Queensland Police have the power to impound a vehicle for up to 48 hours for certain offences, mainly hooning type offences.
Where a person commits another offence within 3 years the court may order that a vehicle be impounded for up to 2 months. Persons who commit 3 or more of any of the following offences may forfeit their vehicle to the state who will then destroy the vehicle.

• Driving an uninsured and unregistered vehicle
• Unlicensed driving
• Driving under the influence of liquor (over high limit)
• Failing to provide a specimen or breathe or saliva
• Driving whilst suspended due to failure to provide specimen
• Driving a vehicle on the road without first complying with a defect notice
• Dangerous Driving
• Careless Driving
• Racing
• Excessive noise or smoke

If your vehicle is to be forfeited to the state the police must give you notice of a hearing in the Magistrate’s court. A forfeiture notice will be issued to a driver even if they are not the owner of the vehicle. It is important to note that a vehicle can be forfeited even if the driver was not the owner. The owner has the right to appear at the court for the hearing of the forfeiture application.
It may be possible to avoid forfeiture of the vehicle and instead undertake community service if the driver can prove to the court that they would suffer severe financial or physical hardship if the vehicle if forfeited.
An owner may apply to the court to prevent the forfeiture where they can prove they did not give permission for the offending activity to occur.
If you are the owner or driver of a vehicle faced with a forfeiture application by the Police it is vital you act quickly. Clarity law can draft all the necessary applications and affidavits needed to try and convince the court not to destroy the vehicle.

[TerrA LX]

I'm not debating it can't happen, my point I am trying to make is that we first need a better understanding of the current system before we can pull it to pieces.