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Started by _1973bathxu1_ , Nov 16 2012 05:56 AM

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#76 Ice

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:08 PM

The wheels on the bus go round and round

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#77 _repco_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:10 PM

If you want to start something. Why don't you go and get permission as you say you need to post the bullshit that you say you have regarding the metallurgy of the blocks you wanted to argu about the metallurgy, so come on...as for your PMs calling me names and full of shit like I little kid would do. frOck skap you are a wanker. Or just a little boy.

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:13 PM

Hook line and sinker
bait taken he,s a biggin

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#79 _repco_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:14 PM

I don't play nice with others and I don't suffer from fools

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:18 PM

I don't play nice with others and I don't suffer from fools

Settle down Phil its all good mate

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#81 _Skapinad_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:19 PM

If you want to start something. Why don't you go and get permission as you say you need to post the bullshit that you say you have regarding the metallurgy of the blocks you wanted to argu about the metallurgy, so come on...as for your PMs calling me names and full of shit like I little kid would do. frOck skap you are a wanker. Or just a little boy.

Huh ?

I never called you names in a PM?

I simply stated you are full of shit when you say HOLDEN threatened to sue you as a result of YOU claiming to have evidence of metallurgy reports. From a thread they must have found on this website ?

I still say that is bullshit, why would they care ?

Prove me wrong with the email or letter Holden sent YOU threatening legal action.

a carton of your choice available for collection at your nominated Dan murphys store tomorrow at 10am if you can ??

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#82 _Skapinad_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:27 PM

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43E03720-6DB1-47A5-B5D2-04305F5BD87D_zps

FEDF7BE4-8AC1-4DF0-9271-FDCF727B7B69_zps

Where did I call you names ??

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#83 _repco_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:28 PM

Go and ask for permission to tell every one about the info that you say you have about the illegal engines that you say holden was using.If you do that.I can and will discredit you.

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#84 _Skapinad_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:32 PM

What the frOck are you talking about ?

Discredit me all ya like mate... I'm happy to admit I got nothing... Seems you aren't !! Lol

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#85 _repco_

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:35 PM

Just as I thought, your full of shit

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#86 EunUCh

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 07:51 PM

oops , wrong thread

Edited by EunUCh, 10 June 2016 - 07:51 PM.

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 11:25 PM

When sold in NT it still had its motor and gearbox may 1991

How do you know it was sold in 1991. That ad only proves it was up for sale. If it did sell where did it go? QLD, SA, NSW, VIC, ACT, TAS, WA or did it just go to a new owner in the NT?

The car was sold in the NT without it's engine in the early to mid 2000's, not 1991.

Which one of these is the fake? or are they both fakes? or are they both genuine?

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#88 _Agent 34_

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 06:09 PM

Dave,

there identical. NOW I'm no metallurgist, But I'm a carpenter by trade. I have hit many a chisel into wood.

the reason they are the same is that the J and the 1 have the same depth or width of the numeral on the pad - this is equivalent to a chisel into wood - it needs a consistent blow into the substrate and by varying the blow the indent changes - metal is no different.

what i ASSUME from this engine stamping is the following:

1) the J and the 1 have less surface area in total from the punch - this leads me to believe that the J and the 1 has been hit differently OR are deeper with same force but it's impact like a chisel will go into the material further as it has less surface area than the other numbers - hence the width of the shank of the J and the 1 are wider than the other numbers.

the question is the following that needs to be answered is;

Does or has a standard holden engine with the same J and 1 have the same depth or width in the shank as per the photo above, if so then it will be consistent if no then then this is not for me to further comment on.

It's clear that the J and 1 have a deeper imprint into the pad - hence the width of the upright.

It could also be that holden had a variance in the J and the 1 which was different to the " font "of the other numbers and letters in their punches - but this is unlilkely - but i have no proof.

ahh the joy's

G

Edited by Agent 34, 11 June 2016 - 06:11 PM.

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#89 _Agent 34_

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 06:40 PM

Just checked a QL block in the garage and the L is deeper as well on the block i have.

I'll check the JL block during the week as it's wrapped up.

It may well become clear that certain numbers/ Letters are in fact punched deeper into the pad.

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#90 _Skapinad_

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:16 PM

Hey Grant, that is generally accepted already...

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#91 _Agent 34_

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:29 PM

Skap - i thought that I was onto a quantum physics thing there - I'll retreat,but its interesting how this happens - which in a weird sort of way proves a consistency with stamping engine No's.

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#92 _ChaosWeaver_

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:35 PM

Sorry bud, but that is not correct in any way (although the 1's do always seem deeper) .... I am also not a Metallurgist either ... But I have a boilermaking background .... all metal can have hard spots, as wood does i'm sure ... but some metals, and inparticular castings can have a massive difference in hardening .. anyone who has tried to drill holes in Galvanized sheet plate has probably found hard spots exist ...

the block the numbers are stamped on is the best indication... look for the broach marks ... if the pad is smooth walk the fuk away ...

Imagine if you knew of a number of JP engines and their numbers, that no longer exist. and then you tracked down some dual cast Kingswood blocks with the corresponding cast dates .. and then you restamp them with the JP engine numbers that you think don't exist anymore.... but guess what.. you fuked up, and there are two ... then come the reasons ... ie people used to take their JP motors out and replace the with kingswood motors .. with restamped JP numbers ,,,, HMM bullshit anyone who changes an engine number, and not registers it with the police is a crook ..... and can eat a dick ..

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:36 PM

Robjs 73 jp engine is original same as the jp Adam skap had/has

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:44 PM

Hi Grant and Ian,

The two pics are the exact same engine number on the exact same JP block, which is the subject of this thread.

Cheers

Dave.

Edited by S pack, 11 June 2016 - 07:45 PM.

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#95 _Skapinad_

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 07:49 PM

lol, Crabba looks a bit silly now doesn't he Dave !

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Posted 13 June 2016 - 10:12 PM

Well, I thought by now that Anthony or Bruce would have jumped in and graced us their opinions on those pics of JP390021, seeing as it was Anthony (crabba67) that told Aldo over and over and over that the JP block he spotted under Aldo’s workbench was a re-stamp because it wasn’t a dual cast date block and besides, a mate of his has the original JP390021 in his 8/73 XU1.

Over the past two years since Aldo became embroiled in the Fake Muscle Car scare we have kept in touch. We have spoken on numerous occasions in the last couple of weeks during which Aldo has confirmed that the NSW Police and the VIC Police have both tested this JP block and both times it has been found to be sporting the original engine number that GM-H gave it when it was born.

The current owner of JP390021 has granted permission for me to post up the following pic that was taken when the VIC Police did their testing.

What do you reckon now Anthony? Is this single cast date Bath 73 block a restamp?

What do the other forum members think?

JP390021%2004_zpsnbna3czg.jpg

So what’s the deal with the other JP390021 engine (if it does really exist) I can hear some of you thinking?

I reckon Byron (yel327) is probably close to the mark, if not hit a bullseye, when he postulated in another thread that the fake JP390021 is most likely a dual cast date block and the reason why it is vital that everyone believes that all original Bath 73 JP blocks are the dual cast date type. Someone is restamping JP blocks. Any ideas who that could be Bruce? After all you are a self proclaimed expert on restamped engine numbers.

I will again ask the good members of this forum if anyone knows anything of a white 8/73 XU1 with JP390021 in SA, possibly in Pinaroo or Adelaide.

There is so much more that I would like to say, however, as the Police investigation, in so far as concerning Aldo, is not yet finalised, I will just say that at this point in time Aldo has not been charged with any offences and most of his property that was seized when his property was first searched has been returned.

Keep an eye on this space.

Cheers

Dave.

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Posted 13 June 2016 - 10:46 PM

I thought the Admin's said no telling who was involved in the Muscle Car Scam, Just Saying.

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Posted 13 June 2016 - 11:42 PM

I thought the Admin's said no telling who was involved in the Muscle Car Scam, Just Saying.

Almost done & dusted Al.

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Posted 14 June 2016 - 07:53 AM

I'm pretty sure we all knew who was involved ... I also talked to Aldo some time ago (before his alleged issue) and I really hope he is found to have no case to answer too..

There is absolutely no justifiable reason for illegally duplicating engine numbers.. especially when you are talking about the rarest of rare engines ..

Eventually all those who have done this will be traced to the fraud they have committed.. Sleep well ........ if you can

I also believe the plan was to substitute Genuine 150 list engines that possibly don't exist anymore, with date correct Dual Cast 202 blocks from standard Holdens.. Just grind the old numbers off, add the 150 list number, invent a story, alluding to Holden making special blocks for some off the 150's, and take the story to the Forums.. and Bingo, the Myth becomes reality.....

The only thing that was done wrong, was not to consider the expertise of some of the members on this forum, who seen straight through it...

I doubt we have heard the last of this story... one day, we may wake up to this making the news.