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#1 hanra

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:56 PM

I fitted a new rear extension housing seal to my gearbox that was supplied by some rip off Aussie gearbox fella on eBay.... The tailshaft had new uni's and was balanced professionally. The car has done approx 50klms and is dribbling oil out of the rear seal.

Could I have damaged it when fitted the tailshaft in? I assume the seal supplied was just something generic from a bearing shop. Is there a particular seal that should be used?

I see RSP advertise this one:

http://www.rarespare...product=3932255

I note this one on eBay also:

http://www.ebay.com....=item27c3e3f923

Edited by hanra, 05 December 2012 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

Did you lubricate the yoke before inserting it?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:04 PM

I believe I did with grease. But I think I pulled it out again when I found the diff shop fitted the incorrect yoke to the diff... I cant remember if I greased it again when I fitted it the 2nd time...

Is there anything special about the seal? Could I just source another from a bearing shop?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:10 PM

GMH may still have them.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

The rare spares seal pictured looks very close to Holdens P/N- 3932255 genuine seal .

I have a number of these from my local dealer and they are all made in Singapore .

Covered by Holden warranty .

Would have to be better than a generic seal from x,y ,or z .

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

Ill try our local dealer but Im not sure they will know what Im talking about.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

I hit em up. They dont stock them, but that P/N shows it listed. They will order me one in.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

also just double check
the bush the tail shaft runs in hasnt worn

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

The GMH Torana parts book lists a different number for the rear seal.

Is 3932255 the new P/N for it?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

You have hit pay dirt .

Just checked my JUNE '75 LJ parts catalogue - P/N 3871649 has been crossed out and 3932255 has been added in it's place .

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

I note this one on eBay also:

http://www.ebay.com....=item27c3e3f923


Looks more like the original with the metal backing. Check the part no.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:30 PM

Lots of common transmissions use basically the same seals and bushes eg. M20, Tri, P'glide, BTR etc. If you have a transmission guy nearby he'll have parts on the shelf. I used the bush from a Ford BTR as it's a bit longer and gives slightly better support. I think the seal is the same too.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:59 AM

Just thinking during my sleep overnight, was there a seal on the input shaft of these boxs? I know I replaced a circular gasket thats underneath the retainer for the bearing on the input shaft but I dont recall any seals?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:44 AM

Some do and some don't, those without simply use the bearing retainer to capture the oil and drain it back into the box through a hole in the front of the case - if you park facing downhill on too steep a slope the oil can run out... (never happens in practice)

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:06 AM

Ah yeah,

This is my set up. So there wasnt a front input shaft seal. Just that gasket which I replaced, along with the rest of the gaskets.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:41 AM

Yep as long as you put the bearing retainer back on with the drain toward the bottom it won't be an issue

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:02 AM

Would that be item 60 in the above pic? I didnt actually remove the input shaft or bearing. So hopefully its still in the correct spot???

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

I can't read those numbers...! I think its 65 on the far right (rightmost other than the bolts)

It has a recess in the back of it that lines up with the hole in the front of the case, there's also a cutout in the gasket for it.

Don't second-guess yourself now, even if you don't remember you probably noticed it and installed it the right way.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:38 PM

Oh righto yeah the end snout section. Yep Im pretty dam certain I got that fitted up correctly. I had that off to fit the new gasket underneath it.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

Would that be item 60 in the above pic? I didnt actually remove the input shaft or bearing. So hopefully its still in the correct spot???


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Item #60 is the 4th gear synchroniser ring. The Aussie 4spd gearbox for a 1975 model should have the oil seal type clutch gear not the slinger type.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

I'm pretty certain my box was 72. But it's definitely an M21. Confirmed the cluster number, ratios and twin groove input shaft etc.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:43 PM

I'm pretty certain my box was 72. But it's definitely an M21. Confirmed the cluster number, ratios and twin groove input shaft etc.


If it's a 72 box then it would have originally been fitted with a slinger type clutch gear.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:51 PM

I have no idea what that is Dave!!!! Hahahahaha

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:35 AM

Did some reading Dave and now I know what your on about!!!!

I'm worried though, I didn't put any type of thread sealant on those 4 bolts that hold the bearing retainer in place.... Do those holes go right through into the case????

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:51 AM

Did some reading Dave and now I know what your on about!!!!

I'm worried though, I didn't put any type of thread sealant on those 4 bolts that hold the bearing retainer in place.... Do those holes go right through into the case????


Can't remember off hand, don't think they do but I could be wrong. Pretty sure I've never had to seal the bolts.




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