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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:16 PM

In just trying to decide what motor to go for in my hatch I know it's cheap to get a 350 crate motor
But how much would it cost to build a decent 202 ?
Obviosly with more power then standard but remember its a daily driver so it has to be within a reasonable budget :/

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:37 PM

I like the look of this for $4000 delivered. Sounds like a good daily driver with that bit extra.


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Edited by sibhs, 16 December 2012 - 10:41 PM.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:51 AM

Hi sjp67m,
A Standard 202 Short Motor ( Block ) is still a Strong Motor ( I have given them a Hiding ),
You can re-kit a 202 Bottom End for 500 Bucks, invest in a 30/70 cam and a Good breathing Head. Dave I

p.s. it is the labour charges that put the price up on your build.
p.p.s. There are 202 builds on this Site for sure.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:12 AM

you know the saying
horsepower is just a matter of $$$$ ....so how fast would you like to go?
what do you currently have?
and what condition is it in?
don't forget to factor in the added costs for a gearbox/diff if you go the chev route
the bango breaks behind standard 202's...a 350 will destroy it :)

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

I like the look of this for $4000 delivered. Sounds like a good daily driver with that bit extra.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/370555436819#ht_1378wt_904


Keep in mind that it's basically just a long block, and to finish it off you'll need:

flywheel
balancer
fuel pump
dissy & leads
intake and carb(s)
air cleaner(s)
starter
alternator
extractors

All this can easily add up to another couple of grand. On a horsepower per dollar basis you'd almost certainly be better off with the smallblock, but some of us like the little sixes anyway.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

what in the hell is a 30/70 cam?

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:49 PM

3/4 race cam.................................from memory?

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

Only make 3/4 of the race haha.

Inlet opening and closing times. Old school way of measuring cams, not used anymore.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

In just trying to decide what motor to go for in my hatch I know it's cheap to get a 350 crate motor
But how much would it cost to build a decent 202 ?
Obviosly with more power then standard but remember its a daily driver so it has to be within a reasonable budget :/


If you want a cheap, reliable and OK on fuel daily driver you can't beat an injected 304 conversion. Even cheaper if you run an auto like a TH350 or even the 4L60 from the donor car. Probably the cheapest and easiest conversion and hp uprgrade money can buy.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:19 PM

what in the hell is a 30/70 cam?


Intake opens 30 BTDC, closes 70ABDC, or in other words 280deg duration. Used to be the thing to have in a street 186 in the 70's. That's how cams were classiified back then, I bet I'm not the only one here that used to call Bert Jones Racing Cams and order a 30/70, or a 36/76 or whatever...

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

Ok,
I had better catch up with the new technology spec's - @.50 etc.
The old cams were simple grinds back then and when you say a 30/70 cam, it would be a normal cam lobe design.
These Day's as oldjohnno has explained to us, is that the shape of the lobe has different characteristics to make a valve perform. Dave I

p.s. I just said a 30/70 cam for street cam to use - it would also give good fuel economy with a breathing head.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:28 PM

From the look of your hatch in the build thread....it simply has to get a V8.

As above, either an injected 304 or a carbed small block would be ideal. If you go the 202 I suspect you'll be over it within a month of it getting on the road and talking about a V8 conversion. Do it once, do it right.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

lol.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:37 PM

I like the look of this for $4000 delivered. Sounds like a good daily driver with that bit extra.


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For $4K you can get a VN with injected 304 and a T700R4. Not much else of it will bolt in though.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

Then another 5k to make it all fit if your half competent on the tools, 10 if your not.

Not everyone likes v8's.........Nor does everyone feel the need to put a v8 in absolutely every torana on the face of the earth.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

Ooh i think you boys touched a nerve with bomber lol as much as i like 202s there is[ no substitute for cubic inches] remember that
as for 30/70 cams very gay you had to go the wade 40/80 full race cam that woke the little red up

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:49 PM

Oh......lol

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

as for 30/70 cams very gay you had to go the wade 40/80 full race cam that woke the little red up

I see you are playing Ball with us again,
Wake the little Six up with a 52/ 90 11,000rpm knifed crank to scare your little mitts off

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:42 AM

For $4K you can get a VN with injected 304 and a T700R4. Not much else of it will bolt in though.


Should be able to get one for half that, if not less, if you only want it as a donor.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:19 AM

Then another 5k to make it all fit if your half competent on the tools, 10 if your not.

Not everyone likes v8's.........Nor does everyone feel the need to put a v8 in absolutely every torana on the face of the earth.

yep and in standard form they are doughy as hell at low revs...not as bad as a gen3 but still....
i'd rather a crate 350 than the hassle and bs that goes with a 304 conversion..

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:44 AM

Not everyone likes v8's.........Nor does everyone feel the need to put a v8 in absolutely every torana on the face of the earth.


I've got a bit of a soft spot for the little sixes, and in my opinion they are a natural fit for the little LC/LJs, whereas these to me look out of proportion with a V8.
The LH/LXs on the other hand look "right" to me with a smallblock V8, so long as it all fits under the bonnet. Especially a hatch with big rubber, it just seems a natural fit. At the end of the day it's all just personal preference I guess, but for me I'd be dropping an eight in the hatch.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 07:56 AM

OP hasnt really come back with a budget?

Cant beat LS power for the $$ these days.

or.....


put a 2J in it :D

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:02 AM

V8 or 6, 6 or V8. Every man and his dog has a V8 or a 6, frOck it, why not do something different and put in a full house big block Starfire. :D

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:44 AM

OP hasnt really come back with a budget?

Cant beat LS power for the $$ these days.

or.....


put a 2J in it :D

he said cheap ......
i'd rather have a old school 350 ls1's look and sound plastic
and the bs involved fitting them is worse than a 304
seriously you'd spend 3k+ just on your mounts/sump/wiring and fuel system ...then you still have your motor/ box/donor car costs
and you still haven't looked at diffs

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

Dave's Starfire idea ticks nearly all the boxes:

Bolts in - check

No engineering dramas - check

Compact and easy to work on - check

Unique sound - check

Compatible with banjo diff - check

Rips epic top gear skids - ch..... er....... I'll get back to you on that one
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