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[yel327]

yel327, before all this bullshit started this was the post i was commenting on.



Then we start comparing apples with bananas and suddenly our bog stock auto 304 became cammed up, manual, chipped, possibly extractors, frOck knows what else.

Reviewing your list of things you need i cant see any way you could have one in a car for less than 2k bog stock, not an extra thing done to it, unless you spent five years chasing up bargain parts. I think im being conservative with that estimate, btw.

What i was saying is with my experience, having been in a few, an hell even driven a manual 5L VS ute (before you belt on about heavy, there not THAT heavy, i think there doughey dog rooting peices of shit. I honestly think for 2k i could put together a 202 that would be just as reliable and a fair bit nicer to drive, more responsive an dare i say quicker down the strip. You woulnt need to do much after all, and considering were talking about a non reconditioned 304 that probably has 400,000km for that money i dont think a re ring is even needed in my 2k budget!!

Insult to injury, my $1000 turboed engine in the LH walked past the particular VS ute i had a bit of a drive of.........

So if your talking putting in a cam, chip, extractors, etc, i can see our budget to get our "stock' 304 in there going towards 3k real quick. Recon i could put together a pretty nice little turboed holden six for 3k, and i would put the same amount of money on what would come out infront on the black dyno.....keeping in mind were still talking a 400k old engine in regards to our cammed chiped etc 304 i recon reliability would be similar to.

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Bomber, cam was used because the red 308 didn't have one, and needed a new cam. It was an off the shelf cam, and Craig chose it as it would have been the same price as a stock one. Red 308 had plenty of k's on it, but had good compression. It wasn't chipped, it was a standard HSV 180kW chip to work with a knock sensor. I sourced this for Craig, it was cheaper than a standard one and the ECU used was a 4cyl Camira one so needed a Memcal. No extractors, standard VN exhaust headers and home made exhaust. Yes it is a manual, but so what? And speaking of apples with apples, when did a turbo become relative! All up this engine was lots chepaer than buying a good secondhand one at the time. Nowadays you buy the used one as it is cheaper that way.
So again, I cannot see how a carbied or injected 202 in an LH-LX starting from a full rebulld (assumption made from original poster) can compare with buying a complete running VN-VS with 5.0L for $1500 (and selling off the remainder for say $500). Buying all the same stuff he'd have to buy for whatever engine (exhaust, radiator, hoses, engine mount rubbers etc etc) and bolting it in using cheap existing Holden parts (like HQ sump/pickup/dipstick/mounts, TH400 shifter (or 30min mod on a trimatic one) etc). Yes this conversion would need a tailshaft, and a bit of fabrication like airbox pipe, wiring. I agree it'll cost around $3000, but that is still cheap compared to spending $3000 on a crate motor and then having to spend another $4-5000 on top of that. While the engine was not yet it it'd make sense to spend another $400 on a cam and lifter plus VRS set. Good opportunity to check it all out. Note that these injected engines don't wear out at the rate old carbied engines so. I've pulled 4 or 5 apart with between 150,000 and 250,000kM on them and bores were still perfect, cranks were still perfect. The only think that kills them is not servicing them, not using corrosion inhibitor or reviing them too hard.
Nothing wrong with a Hodlen six and if it was an LC-LJ i'd agree with you. This isn't an LC or LJ though. And there is no way a turbo 202 in a WB tonner could possibly cut the mustard as a tow car, everyday driver and all round car. The flexibilty of the EFI V8 has no peer in this application.

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[Uncle Chop Chop]

You guys have made a good fruit salad here.

[Dave6179]

Anywho... I recently rebuilt a 202. block/crank clean n machine:$726. Commy rods (with pistons... not used) $80 off TradeMe. New +.040 pistons:$305. Rings:$84. Gaskets set:$30, TM. Cam bearings:$13, TM. New billet cam:$312, incl post. Lifters:$9 each. Paint... Rocket Red:$17, SCA.
I used the YT head off the 179, although it could use fresh guides.
I also screwed it all together in the shed!
The boss at my new job thought it was a V8, a bloke at the local Holden parts shop thought it was a V8 (he had to have a look as I was not taken seriously), many 'onlookers' ask which V8 it has, get the picture? It also goes quite well...

[Dave6179]

When I had my Buick, people asked me what size chebby it had! Of course... it had the factory Buick 350. Dumb shits everywhere.

[Collo]

The cost to do a rb motor or 1j/2j was pretty close $$ wise to do the 304 conversion. U can buy the kits at heaps of places.

Not arguing with you, but I'm struggling to get my head around how a 304 conversion would cost the same as a Toyota motor conversion would cost?