coupe or tudor?
#1
Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:03 PM
I will now ask all the Torana people out there a question and see what you all think.
Is a 2 door lc lj torana and a 2 door lx uc torana a coupe or a tudor????
I just about fell over when told my lc gtr was in the tudor class for judgeing as all 2 door torana's are classed in tudor not coupe..
What are your thoughts.
Mine is that it is a coupe and it even states that on the rego lable.
#2 _daveml_
Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:34 PM
From memory, TUDOR originally refers to a "2 DOOR" A Model FORD (1930 or there abouts) and has been used by Ford to usually distinguish their 2 door cars, they also had a "Fordor" Model, so I am with you in that Your car is a "COUPE".
Have never heard of a GM car being called a "Tudor", but don't take as gospel.
Daveml.
#3
Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:00 PM
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Bazza
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#4
Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:22 PM
Tudor is a Ford name and Skoda have taken it on recently.
The organisers mean to say 2 door but are probably trying to be hip by using a classic term.
s
#5
Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:05 PM
There are many different definitions of a coupe, depending on where you live.
However, I believe the best definition is that a coupe is a 2-door sedan, based on a 4-door, but using a different roofline.
GM-H seem to agree with this because they have always referred to 2-door HB/LC/LJ/TA cars as '2-door sedans', but 2-door HK-HX & LX/UC as 2-door coupes.
Let's face it, the main differences between a 2- & a 4-door sedan in LC/LJ are the doors, side glass & rear quarter panels. The roof panel & rear screen are the same.
Have a look at some of the Chevs from the 50s & 60s, some years had 6 or 8 different body styles all in one series. Some will have a 4-door sedan, a 2-door sedan, a 4-door hardtop, a 2-door hardtop, a 2-door coupe & a 2-door convertible, plus 2 & 4-door wagons etc. etc.
At one time GM-H was thinking of producing an LC/LJ coupe, I have a pic of it, strangely badged 'Barina', but it didn't get pass the design/concept stage.
Dr Terry
#6 _LXcellent_
Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:40 PM
I did get this definition of "coupe" from Wikipedia though which does seem to provide a definition of sorts.
"Alternatively, a coupé is often distinguished from a two-door sedan by the lack of a B pillar to support the roof. Sedans have an A pillar forward at the windscreen, a B pillar aft of the door, and a C pillar defining the aftermost roof support at the rear window. Thus with all side-windows down, a coupé would appear windowless from the A to the C pillars. These fixed-roof models are described as a hardtop or pillarless coupé. Though, to confuse things even further, there are many hardtop/pillarless two- and four-door sedans. Targa top, or just 'T'-top models are a variation on the convertible design, where the roof centre section can be removed, in one or two sections, leaving the rest of the roof in place. Yet another variation on the convertible or drop-head coupé is the fully retractable hardtop. In this form the car has all the adantages of fixed-head vehicle but, at the touch of a button, the entire roof lifts off, folds and stows away in the trunk (boot). Though retractables were tried many years ago by Peugeot, in Europe and Ford, in the US, with the Fairlaine Skyliner, it is only in the 21st century that there has been an explosion in the popularity of this bodystyle."
Hence I suppose if we took this definition as gospell Toranas would all be two doors and HK/T/G/Q and LE Monaros would be coupes.
I appreciate the 4 dr Hardtop question though...... what about Mazda RX8, Porsche Pannamerica and Subaru wagons from late 80s to nineties which were pillarless.....
Asks more questions than it answers....... My head hurts......... I need to lie down...........
#7
Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:56 PM
Though, to confuse things even further, there are many hardtop/pillarless two- and four-door sedans.
Not to mention cabriolets, notchbacks and company terms like fastback, sportsroof, etc.
s
#8 _Skapinad_
Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:03 PM
#9
Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:34 PM
Go figger that one out..
And as far as i'm concerned it is a FORD name and should stay as such,
PLEASE DON"T DOWN GRADE MY HOLDEN TO THAT LEVEL
#10 _Skapinad_
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:46 PM
Lc GTR (tudor). Lol!
#11
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:47 PM
Hence I suppose if we took this definition as gospell Toranas would all be two doors and HK/T/G/Q and LE Monaros would be coupes.
Forgot one: HJ Monaro!
(I know it is picky, but a HX LE isn't actually a Monaro).
Back on track, what is a V2 or VZ CV6 or CV8? I guess it is the same as whatever an LC or LJ is?
#12
Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:27 PM
No Byron, I don't believe the B-pillar thing matters for a coupe.Back on track, what is a V2 or VZ CV6 or CV8? I guess it is the same as whatever an LC or LJ is?
V2 & VZ Monaros are 2-door coupes, but they have a B-pillar, but so what, their roofline is not that of the 4-sedan equivalent. Look at a TX/TC/TD Gemini 2-door it is a coupe, but it has a B-pillar.
Look at an LX hatchback, it's a coupe yet again it also has a B-pillar.
Dr Terry.
#13
Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:41 PM
Cause he couldn't spell... so two door became tudor
#14
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:05 PM
#15
Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:35 AM
No Byron, I don't believe the B-pillar thing matters for a coupe.
V2 & VZ Monaros are 2-door coupes, but they have a B-pillar, but so what, their roofline is not that of the 4-sedan equivalent. Look at a TX/TC/TD Gemini 2-door it is a coupe, but it has a B-pillar.
Look at an LX hatchback, it's a coupe yet again it also has a B-pillar.
Dr Terry.
Probably correct. In the '55-'57 Chevs, didn't they call the 2 door with a B pillar a 2 door sedan, and the 2 door with no B-pillar a coupe? Or did that simply happen because they had both and had to call them something?
I just looked at some GMH literature, they refer to the Gemini as sedan and coupe. But they specifically use the word Hatchback for the Torana and Sunbird, yet use coupe on the ADR plate (although they also put Torana here on Sunbirds so not sure this is that reliable). Other areas it is called a Torana or Sunbird Hatchback Coupe.
They also use the word coupe utility on HQ-WB ute ADR plates.
So I think you are right, coupe just means 2 doors with a variation in roofline, hence HK-HJ Monaro, HX LE, LX-UC hatchbacks and HQ-WB utes are all coupes (or coupe utiiity) whereas LC-LJ are 2 door sedans. Cool, learn something new everyday! I don't think i've ever looked at a HG ute's ADR plate to see if it states coupe utility on it like HQ-WB.
#16
Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:03 AM
But they specifically use the word Hatchback for the Torana and Sunbird
Well it does have a hatch door.
The Ford Lasers were referred to as 3 door or 5 door models in their brochures, perhaps they should have called them Thridors and Fyvdors.
s
#17
Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:57 AM
#18
Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:16 PM
When Ford's Lew Bandt designed & built the world's first 'ute' in 1934 (in Australia), what distinguished it from other pick-ups (before & since) was the fact that the tray & car body were all one. Other pick-ups like Hi-Ace, F-100, Triton, AU/BA Falcon etc. etc. have the tray as a separate removable part.
So whether it was called a coupe utility because of this feature or just that the roofline differs from the sedan, I don't know.
Dr Terry
#19
Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:21 PM
There is a 3 litre coupe version of the Rover P5 (late 1960s) which has a different roofline to the sedan version, but still has 4 doors.
Dr Terry
#20
Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:27 PM
Besides i thought this would cause a stir and get bites and it has hahaha.
I couldn't care less what they want to call my 2 door gtr as long as they don't call it a ford lol
#21
Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:36 PM
Other pick-ups like Hi-Ace, F-100, Triton, AU/BA Falcon etc. etc. have the tray as a separate removable part.
Yep, pick-ups are more truck than car, with the early models Ford would send the chassis over to Aus. and local body builders would customise the rear end, either turning it into a tray or building it into a van of sorts to suit the profession of the owner.
s
Edited by StephenSLR, 15 January 2013 - 06:36 PM.
#22
Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:55 PM
the roof of a 2 door lc lj is differnt to a 4 door as the front doors are differnt lengths so b pillar is in differnt place.
Besides i thought this would cause a stir and get bites and it has hahaha.
I couldn't care less what they want to call my 2 door gtr as long as they don't call it a ford lol
Dave, the roof panel is identical for 2 & 4 door LC'LJ. The B pillar is not part of the roof, it is part of the structure below the roof.
Look at the silhouette of a 2dr and 4dr, they are same.
#23
Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:28 PM
#24 _Skapinad_
Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:52 PM
#25
Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:27 PM
Theres even a thread on it here someone might be able to find
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