Yeah but i think he never finished it neil
coupe or tudor?
Started by
Shtstr
, Jan 14 2013 01:03 PM
65 replies to this topic
#26
Ice
-
- Members
-
- 15,165 posts
Cool
- Name:Gene
- Location:Galaxy's away from Ipswich
- Car:77 HZ Sandman Van
- Joined: 03-January 07
Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:46 AM
#27
_daveml_
_daveml_
-
- Guests
Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:08 AM
To LCXU1o5
Hi Dave,
Further to my reply and to give You more of a headache,
have a look at this ,
http://macsautoparts...ons-page/a/215/
Ford in the day classed a "COUPE" as a 2 Door Car ,
and a "TUDOR" as a 2 Door Car WITH a 4 Door Body (as I would describe it).
Cheers,
Daveml.
Hi Dave,
Further to my reply and to give You more of a headache,
have a look at this ,
http://macsautoparts...ons-page/a/215/
Ford in the day classed a "COUPE" as a 2 Door Car ,
and a "TUDOR" as a 2 Door Car WITH a 4 Door Body (as I would describe it).
Cheers,
Daveml.
#28
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,301 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:47 AM
Doesn't this back up what we are saying ?To LCXU1o5
Hi Dave,
Further to my reply and to give You more of a headache,
have a look at this ,
http://macsautoparts...ons-page/a/215/
Ford in the day classed a "COUPE" as a 2 Door Car ,
and a "TUDOR" as a 2 Door Car WITH a 4 Door Body (as I would describe it).
Cheers,
Daveml.
A 4-door sedan would be a Fordor
A 2-door sedan would be a Tudor
A coupe would be a 2-door but has a different roofline to the sedan.
Dr Terry
#29
Shtstr
-
- Members
-
- 1,810 posts
Formerly lcxu105
- Name:Mmmmmmm
- Location:Brisbane
- Car:lx hatchback lc gtr
- Joined: 18-June 10
Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:53 AM
To be honest i could care less, i was just suprised when told. I had never heard of this before. Just wanted to see how many others called a 2 door lclj a tudor.
I thought he was jokeing when he first said it to me but he wasn't.
As i said you learn something new all the time.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I thought he was jokeing when he first said it to me but he wasn't.
As i said you learn something new all the time.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
#30
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,301 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:06 PM
The only cars I've ever heard called Tudors were early 2-door Fords, never 2-door Toranas.To be honest i could care less, i was just suprised when told. I had never heard of this before. Just wanted to see how many others called a 2 door lclj a tudor.
I thought he was jokeing when he first said it to me but he wasn't.
As i said you learn something new all the time.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Dr Terry
#31
_fractalign_
_fractalign_
-
- Guests
Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:00 AM
From my understanding a tudor is a 2 door body that shares the same dimensions as a sedan body with the only difference being the doors them selves. Although Henry Ford may have used the term, over the years it has come to mean any US two door sedan from the 1920's to the 1950's
irrespective of make. If you type in 1934 Chev tudor you will get countless images of 1934 chev two door sedans AKA coaches. Even though GM called their's coaches, they were identical in definition to the Fords of the day. Street Rodding has meant that terms that were originally used for Fords have been adopted for other makes because when Hot Rodding began Fords were the dominant make due to the fact that they were the only affordable V8 of the day until the small block chev was introduced in the mid fifties. As far as coups go they can be hard tops or have b pillars. The original coupes of the 20's and 30's all had b pillars with the first true hard top coupes not appearing until the late 1940's. As far as a Torana goes according to my Insurance mine is classed as a coupe BUT based on the original definition it can also be classed as a tudor. When Henry Ford first used that term coupes has a completely different shape to tudors, in that the coupes had a shorter roof line with only enough room for a single bench seat . The rear of the body was rounded and followed the arch of the rear wheel. The tudor and Sedans had identical bodies with the only difference being the doors and side windows, that pretty much sums up the LC and LJ's while the LH, LX and UC'w were pillar less hatchbacks, so by my reckoning both varieties can be classed as coupes based on the original and contemporary definition.
irrespective of make. If you type in 1934 Chev tudor you will get countless images of 1934 chev two door sedans AKA coaches. Even though GM called their's coaches, they were identical in definition to the Fords of the day. Street Rodding has meant that terms that were originally used for Fords have been adopted for other makes because when Hot Rodding began Fords were the dominant make due to the fact that they were the only affordable V8 of the day until the small block chev was introduced in the mid fifties. As far as coups go they can be hard tops or have b pillars. The original coupes of the 20's and 30's all had b pillars with the first true hard top coupes not appearing until the late 1940's. As far as a Torana goes according to my Insurance mine is classed as a coupe BUT based on the original definition it can also be classed as a tudor. When Henry Ford first used that term coupes has a completely different shape to tudors, in that the coupes had a shorter roof line with only enough room for a single bench seat . The rear of the body was rounded and followed the arch of the rear wheel. The tudor and Sedans had identical bodies with the only difference being the doors and side windows, that pretty much sums up the LC and LJ's while the LH, LX and UC'w were pillar less hatchbacks, so by my reckoning both varieties can be classed as coupes based on the original and contemporary definition.
#32
orangeLJ
-
- Members
-
- 10,261 posts
Yes, yes I do post alot!
- Joined: 02-May 06
Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:29 AM
To be honest i could care less, i was just suprised when told. I had never heard of this before. Just wanted to see how many others called a 2 door lclj a tudor.
I thought he was jokeing when he first said it to me but he wasn't.
As i said you learn something new all the time.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Summernats puts LC/LJ 2 doors in the Tudor class aswell.....
so its not just an isolated thing
#33
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,301 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:53 PM
while the LH, LX and UC'w were pillar less hatchbacks,
But LX/UC are pillared hatchback coupes, not pillarless.
HK-HX 2-doors are pillarless coupes, i.e. no b-pillar.
Dr Terry
#34
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,484 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:08 PM
Wouldn't that make them 2 door hardtops ?
#35
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,301 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:11 AM
Yes, I suppose it does.
Pillarless coupe is more descriptive, it depends on the exact definition of 'hardtop'.
Hardtop is a very American term, does anyone here know if hardtops are strictly pillarless.
Dr Terry.
Pillarless coupe is more descriptive, it depends on the exact definition of 'hardtop'.
Hardtop is a very American term, does anyone here know if hardtops are strictly pillarless.
Dr Terry.
#36
S pack
-
- Members
-
- 15,616 posts
Scrivet Counter
- Name:Dave
- Location:Luggage Point
- Car:73 LJ
- Joined: 25-January 10
Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:37 AM
AFAIK the hardtop was a variant of the convertible (also know as soft top or rag top). A convertible is pillarless so a hardtop would be the same..
#37
yel327
-
- Members
-
- 13,479 posts
Oh My, Don't you post alot
- Joined: 10-February 08
Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:40 AM
Did hardtop originate with a convertible fitted with a hard-top? And it later got applied to all 2 and 4 door "pillarless" versions with a non removable hardtop?
#38
S pack
-
- Members
-
- 15,616 posts
Scrivet Counter
- Name:Dave
- Location:Luggage Point
- Car:73 LJ
- Joined: 25-January 10
Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:49 AM
Did hardtop originate with a convertible fitted with a hard-top? And it later got applied to all 2 and 4 door "pillarless" versions with a non removable hardtop?
I suspect that would be the case but can't say for sure.
#39
wot179
-
- Members
-
- 6,784 posts
Green Eggs and Spam
- Name:Jesus Bloody Christ
- Location:Sunny Santa Maria
- Car:Goon
- Joined: 06-February 09
Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:39 AM
Arent 2 door VG Valiants described as a hardtop?
#40
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,484 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:52 PM
I know many people refer to Falcon coupes as hardtops
And to make matters worse my Cadillac is a 4 door pillarless hardtop
And to make matters worse my Cadillac is a 4 door pillarless hardtop
#41
yel327
-
- Members
-
- 13,479 posts
Oh My, Don't you post alot
- Joined: 10-February 08
Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:20 PM
So is the 1967 Impala on Supernatural. I think GM called them sports sedans or 4 door hardtops.
#42
N/A-PWR
-
- Members
-
- 9,620 posts
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
- Name:Dave I
- Location:Wooroloo, 65km's East of Perth
- Car:'1969' LC RAT TORANA
- Joined: 08-December 12
Posted 06 June 2015 - 11:59 AM
Hi Dr Terry,
Not sure if Holden used Tudor either,
but we are all in the same family. 
#43
EunUCh
-
- Members
-
- 2,769 posts
Lotsa Posts!
- Location:not this planet
- Car:japos
- Joined: 23-November 06
Posted 09 June 2015 - 05:04 PM
Interesting! Tudor is the name of a ruling family from England (1485-1603)
It also means in architecture ..."it is characterized by flat arches,shallow moldings,profuse paneling etc." (that prevailed during the reign of the Tudor family)
Coupe (coo-pay) seems to be derived from a couple of things?
1."of couper,to cut"
2. the front seats of a continental "diligence" =( a form of stage coach used in France and other European countries)
3.A half compartment at the end (European railway cars)
Bit of a history lesson i know,but the terminology goes back a bit and has been blended in and changed as time goes by to sort of denote the original meaning/shapes/architecture etc. of what we now see in the shapes of cars?
#44
StephenSLR
-
- Members
-
- 6,714 posts
Oh My, Don't you post alot
- Name:Stephen
- Location:Sydney
- Car:1976 LX SL/R
- Joined: 12-November 05
Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:48 PM
Interesting! Tudor is the name of a ruling family from England (1485-1603)
I do hope you realise that car manufacturers have a sense of humour. They don't do things as literally as you have explained above.
The Lone O'ranger; you see orange is a colour and then there is the Lone Ranger; so they combined it and made a pun out of it.
Go Mango; you see, mango is a fruit of a certain colour and they made a pun out of Go Man Go!
Tudor; you see; it is a name; it is also a quirky pun for Two Door.
Fordor; no such word but it combines the word Ford and Four Door and quite neatly ties in with their other Tudor pun.
It's punny!
Get it?
s
Edited by StephenSLR, 09 June 2015 - 07:52 PM.
#45
EunUCh
-
- Members
-
- 2,769 posts
Lotsa Posts!
- Location:not this planet
- Car:japos
- Joined: 23-November 06
Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:59 PM
yeah but if i owned tudor or fordor or cut pillar soft top or fastback with tudors or fordors roadster convert they ok...i get it
#46
StephenSLR
-
- Members
-
- 6,714 posts
Oh My, Don't you post alot
- Name:Stephen
- Location:Sydney
- Car:1976 LX SL/R
- Joined: 12-November 05
Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:06 PM
The car dealers aren't consistent, nor stick to convention. Just look at all the cars falsely labelled as speedster and roadster.
s
#47
_ChaosWeaver_
_ChaosWeaver_
-
- Guests
Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:39 PM
Tudor, Has nothing to do with a car's design, it's a name for something half timbered.... or the reign of the royal family...
-
Tudor[ ˈtjuːdə ]ADJECTIVEadjective: Tudorrelating to the English royal dynasty which held the throne from the accession of Henry VII in 1485 until the death of Elizabeth I in 1603.
- denoting or relating to the prevalent architectural style of the Tudor period, characterized especially by half-timbering.
NOUNnoun: Tudor · plural noun: Tudors- a member of the Tudor dynasty.
#48
StephenSLR
-
- Members
-
- 6,714 posts
Oh My, Don't you post alot
- Name:Stephen
- Location:Sydney
- Car:1976 LX SL/R
- Joined: 12-November 05
Posted 09 June 2015 - 08:46 PM
^ there's always one; in this case two.
Derp, it was a marketing name by Ford for their two door model A; a simple play on words; a pun not to be taken literally nor historically connected to the surname.
The Model A came in a wide variety of styles: Coupe (Standard and Deluxe), Business Coupe, Sport Coupe, Roadster Coupe (Standard and Deluxe), Convertible Cabriolet, Convertible Sedan, Phaeton (Standard and Deluxe), Tudor Sedan (Standard and Deluxe), Town Car, Fordor (2-window) (Standard and Deluxe), Fordor (3-window) (Standard and Deluxe), Victoria, Station Wagon, Taxicab, Truck, and Commercial.
http://en.wikipedia....del_A_(1927–31)
s
Edited by StephenSLR, 09 June 2015 - 08:50 PM.
#49
_ChaosWeaver_
_ChaosWeaver_
-
- Guests
Posted 09 June 2015 - 09:03 PM
lol........... everyone knows that............ You don't think a Morris Major was in the Army do you....... Derp..... 
#50
EunUCh
-
- Members
-
- 2,769 posts
Lotsa Posts!
- Location:not this planet
- Car:japos
- Joined: 23-November 06
Posted 09 June 2015 - 09:04 PM
Yes it has been a "play of words" for the marketing engineers to sell a product,no different to "statesman" ,"brougham","belmont" etc.
The wording has become a little changed over time i think because originally the words meant more of what the "product/design" represented in the language at the time,i think as time went by when the house/boat builders then became coach builders then turned to car making that some of the terminology then ended up incorporated in the "new product" , although not as pronounced as what it used to be at the time it seems to have some distant meaning of origin although not as pronounced as it's former meaning that is still relevant
to current design 'features"??
4 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 4 guests, 0 anonymous users
