if i were looking at a car with the rail number moved like this i would not buy it. thats just me.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:14 PM
Or was your engine bay " like that when I got the car officer "
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:54 AM
I would also suggest you get some evidence to go with your change, esp. up here in QLD.I am doing the same thing. My Number will be restamped on the inside of the rail but towards the bottom. You wont have any dramas. just make sure it is clear enough to read & its straight.
As soon as a copper can't find the number and you have to tell them, they'll go "Ahhhh, illegal modifications" and get the book out.
You have moved the single most important identifier on the car - if you don't have some legal evidence to show you have done it correctly and everything still matches up, the cops don't need much more to take your car off the road.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:15 AM
Hi Lee
I would go with the photo with it on the side of the rail
Square it up so it is nice and neat and flat - radius the outside edge a whisker
6 tacks to hold it on then just the thinnest of wipes of Sikaflex round the edge to neaten it up and seal the underside
Its out of the way and not in your face - its on the car so legaly it is there
If you are patient you could weld it to the side of the rail as if it was folded down 90deg fron its original position. Would give you plausible deniability that it was ever removed.
These guys are on the right track.
Cut a nice hole in the rail and sit the original number in there. Hold it in place with a couple of magnets so its flush then weld it in. This way it does look standard. If you restamp then someone will always ask questions.
JMHO.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:43 AM
i think i might just go with the weld it back on but in a 90 degree fold so its not sticking out like Rexy as mentioned unles i find the right person that knows that it can be re stamped on the side of the rail 
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:04 AM
Why don't you just ring RMS and ask them for the appropriate clause that covers this?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:43 PM
Yep call RMS or an engineer.Why don't you just ring RMS and ask them for the appropriate clause that covers this?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:37 PM
If you do call, do it all anonymously....
no need to give them the details of the vehicle that put a big red x next to it in their system.
I can tell you that the RMS goons will tell you that you can't touch, modify or remove an identifier like the chassis number...
no need to give them the details of the vehicle that put a big red x next to it in their system.
I can tell you that the RMS goons will tell you that you can't touch, modify or remove an identifier like the chassis number...
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:53 PM
any cars/engines ive ever had that had suspect, moved, restamped or import numbers on them i was sent to the police forensics at coffs harbour and they were tested (normally with acid, dose wonders for paint) and then was issued a police number and was told to put a strike mark through the number on the car/engine so it was still able to be read but obviously crossed out and to re stamp the new number next to it.
on one occasion tho with a harley frame, i was allowed to stamp the number on a flat piece of steel and weld it to the frame where ever i wanted.
on one occasion tho with a harley frame, i was allowed to stamp the number on a flat piece of steel and weld it to the frame where ever i wanted.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:09 PM
I get what you are saying, but in the end, how many cars have had repairs done to the inner guards and numbers repaird/replaced etc etc.
I dare say its a lot more common than first though.
The best idea so far is to make it look like it was just folded down at 90* and welded to the side.
I dare say its a lot more common than first though.
The best idea so far is to make it look like it was just folded down at 90* and welded to the side.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:01 PM
well there have been lots of good answers to my OP and i thank you all ( by the way my stamps are 6mm and i need 8mm lol ) in helping me make the decision 
i have cleaned up the number + trimmed it nice and neat and ready to be welded back on but at the 90 degree fold the will run a weld right around it to seal it up and feather the edges so it blends in nice with just a very tiny skim of nikki. just have to see if there is a pick in my thread so i can see roughly how far back radiator support it was unless someone is kind enough to give me a measurment 
i have cleaned up the number + trimmed it nice and neat and ready to be welded back on but at the 90 degree fold the will run a weld right around it to seal it up and feather the edges so it blends in nice with just a very tiny skim of nikki. just have to see if there is a pick in my thread so i can see roughly how far back radiator support it was unless someone is kind enough to give me a measurment
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:24 PM
I would also suggest you get some evidence to go with your change, esp. up here in QLD.
As soon as a copper can't find the number and you have to tell them, they'll go "Ahhhh, illegal modifications" and get the book out.
You have moved the single most important identifier on the car - if you don't have some legal evidence to show you have done it correctly and everything still matches up, the cops don't need much more to take your car off the road.
Grant..
Though I don't disagree, how many cops are going to know where it used to be? I had to google it when I got my first box type torana....
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:32 PM
Cant help with the measurement but i emailed this link to RMS for comment, hopefully they pay no attention to the number! Lol...well there have been lots of good answers to my OP and i thank you all ( by the way my stamps are 6mm and i need 8mm lol ) in helping me make the decision
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:29 PM
Cant help with the measurement but i emailed this link to RMS for comment, hopefully they pay no attention to the number! Lol...
pay no attention to this mad mad man
and the pics are just a figment of your imagination Mr RMS 
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:48 PM
Though I don't disagree, how many cops are going to know where it used to be? I had to google it when I got my first box type torana....
The ones that do know is the point here, so what does it matter if there is one or more cop's that know?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:16 PM
more to the point i think is how many guys doing the blue slip (nsw) that will know. this is where ive run into most of my problems with things (import chevs mostly) and been refered to the police. its not allways the police u have to worrie about. on top of that like i said earlyer, if i saw a car done in this manner i would pass it up, unless of course its cheap as chips n i could fix it. lol none of us are total angels.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:42 AM
Highway Patrol are car guys.....a fair portion will know......esp. if you get Velo's old crew..........
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:24 AM
Were these all stamped in the same spot? When I trimmed my chassis rails, I left an extra mm or so hanging over to weld the 2 edges and it juuuust missed the Chassis number. Mine is in the same spot as this one. Mine is a 10th '76 Car.
http://australianmus...u/muscle/178229
http://australianmus...u/muscle/178229
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:57 PM
LH LX All the same spot
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:27 AM
Were these all stamped in the same spot? When I trimmed my chassis rails, I left an extra mm or so hanging over to weld the 2 edges and it juuuust missed the Chassis number. Mine is in the same spot as this one. Mine is a 10th '76 Car.
http://australianmus...u/muscle/178229
mine is 11th 76 and my number would of got got cut clean in half i think. might be a friday car lol
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:46 PM
Im about to go through a similar process the previous owner cut and smoothed the lips in the engine bay and in the process the vin is unreadable i have being informed from QLD transport to fill a form out and the police will issue a new number to be stamped on it
I have to get a new engine number while im at it due to engine builder milling my number off when building my engine people have told me to just restamp it but i figure if i do it right i wont have dramas down the track
I have to get a new engine number while im at it due to engine builder milling my number off when building my engine people have told me to just restamp it but i figure if i do it right i wont have dramas down the track
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