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#126
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:41 PM
Maybe someone else can answer that for us both!
#127
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:18 AM
Yep, you can block off the rear ports, but the front really needs to have coolant flow going to it. If you don't want to go to the radiator, another option...which I did...it to tap a hole in the top of the waterpump housing where the upper radiator hose goes and use a fitting in there and go off that. Works perfect for me..
#128
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:36 AM
I dragged myself out to the shed and took a couple pics if it'll help, lol...
(I used -4AN fittings for it.)
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#129
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:40 AM
Still unsure where to route the accelerator cable. Not really happy with how it sits.
For ideas....here is what I did..I made a little mount for it off the master cylinder bolt, keeps it a bit tidy at least. (I used a little rubber bush inside the aluminum clamp also)
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#130
Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:46 AM
The steam line is there purge air/steam from the water jacket in the heads.
The water pump method is used by a http://hotrodlane.cc/ however I have connected mine to the radiator. The picture below is from this pdf.
http://www.hotrodlan...onze Camaro.pdf
While we are on the subject the heater outlets on the water pump are part of the thermostat bypass system. If you are not connecting a heater then there is a U shaped hose available to join the two ports. If you are running a heater then water should always flow through the heater like the stock Torana heater. The Commodore has a heater bypass tap that allows the flow to be stopped the heater but still flow back to the water pump.
Edited by ls2lxhatch, 29 July 2013 - 01:52 AM.
#131
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 08:38 AM
Haha, I was hoping you guys (Jeff & Andy) would chime in
That's really neat what you've done Jeff with both steam pipes and your accelerator cable (actually, everything you've done on that beast is neat). Thanks for taking some photos for me!
Thanks Andy. I run my bypass hoses through the factory heater already but that could really catch someone out...handy to know.
I think I'll get a 90 deg hose fitting to come off the 1/8" NPT fitting in the joiner on my lower radiator hose and run that to the steam pipe outlet underneath the throttle body. Will give me a practical use for that joiner and I reckon it'll be easy to route a hose down there neatly.
#132
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 09:25 AM
I undersatand what you want to do with the hose to your bottom radiator hose, however dont you have to connect as high as you can so air wont get traped?
Also, thanks to Andy and Jeff, you do seem to jump in at just the right time! ( this goes for my build also) It's great how everyone helps and doesn't discorage any one for what they have done, or their ability to do something. I'm not the neatest and yet I'm comfortable to post what I have done. Cheers to all!!
#133
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 10:01 AM
There shouldn't be any air in a properly bled pressurised cooling system?
I thought they were referred to as steam pipes but are actually just external coolant passages to take heat away from the hot spots in the head. I would have thought that so long as they go back into the low pressure side of the cooling system (before the pump) that it would be OK. I guess I could plumb it into my top hose if it needs to go higher....would actually be simpler to go to the top hose.
#134
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 10:43 AM
My thoughts are exactly that. They are my thoughts, not facts. Hopefully the others will intervein again and confirm.
#135
Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:44 AM
The lines are too small to flow enough coolant to make them an external cooling passage.
The theory is that the coolant in the heads can overheat and produce a steam pocket which can then block coolant flow to an area of the head. The steam lines are big enough to ensure that the steam is not trapped in the head. Early LS motors had front and rear steam lines, on later motors the rears are blocked. Some people advise that the rears should also be plumbed on a high performance engine.
http://www.pirate4x4...avista/Cooling/
Same goes for the guy down the street (or on the internet)- who's advice you're considering taking - just because he says "I just plugged the steam ports and haven't had any problems" doesn't mean his cooling system works well or that it won't cause problems down the road.
Steam pockets or localized coolant boiling can occur when excessive heat is generated (because of a lean condition, excessive ignition advance, or faulty cooling system) causing the coolant to reach its vapour point and spontaneously change state from liquid to gas - in other words - boil. This is sometimes referred to as "flashing to steam". The problem usually occurs first in the combustion chamber area because it is the hottest region. When this happens - a vicious cycle begins - cylinder head hot spots cause steam pockets - steam pockets tend to "stick" in the highest area (the head) - steam cannot contribute to cooling and displaces much needed coolant - the excessively hot cylinder head experiences detonation and/or pre-ignition - which in turn creates excessive heat which causes hot spots and localized coolant boiling and steam pockets to form and so on.
I would not plumb them into the inlet hose as you are just reintroducing the steam into the system.
Edited by ls2lxhatch, 29 July 2013 - 11:47 AM.
#136
Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:00 PM
You want that shit to go to a header tank of some description.
#137
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:27 PM
I would not plumb them into the inlet hose as you are just reintroducing the steam into the system.[/quote]
Sorry to hijack, but a quick one for Andy, are you not still introducing the steam back in the system when it inters the radiator?
#138
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:56 PM
I would think the steam (still dubious of this) would enter the radiator and cool soon as it comes into contact with cooler water and return to a liquid state.
I think the same thing would happen at the bottom hose or water pump too as this water should be cooler than the top of the radiator.
Most of the conversions seem to plumb it into the water pump. Can't see how it would be different to the bottom hose.
My alternative is the top hose which would be the hottest water in the system but then the steam would be at the top of the radiator which I guess if it remains as steam is the best place for it?
#139
Posted 29 July 2013 - 05:26 PM
People are taping into the outlet of the water pump not the inlet.
If the steam line is run to the top of the radiator or to the outlet of the water pump then it can also be used to purge air from the system when changing coolant.
#140
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 30 July 2013 - 07:44 AM
The steam pipe hose had went to the upper part of the radiator right next to the upper hose...at least over here that is where they are located. With moving mine to where I did, I have not had any problems at all and no hot or cold spots either when checking around with my IR heat gun around the corners of heads, etc. (I did out of curiosity a while ago)
Oh, and as for the different styles of pipes...the F body (again, over here) use an H shaped pipe that connects for 4 corners under the intake. The Corvette only uses a pipe that connects the two front fittings and has block off plates for the rear. I had to swap to a Corvette one on the one I did with a Kenne Bell supercharger that was in a Camaro (the '69 Camaro with all the late model gear) and when I did mine, I swapped to the Corvette style as well. It cleaned up some of the plumbing under my intake and helped make room for the heater hoses and coil wiring, etc.
#141
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:39 PM
What gearbox are you putting in?
Must be close now
#142
_LXSS350_
Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:18 PM
I drill the water pumps and adding the steam line into the suction side, It looks clean that way.
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Edited by LXSS350, 07 August 2013 - 10:29 PM.
#143
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:26 AM
What is all that extra rubbish on top of your engine ? And that pulley looks a bit different than a normal LS
#144
Posted 08 August 2013 - 11:15 AM
Will dig through my notes, i am sure i researched all this and got some great help from the blokes at ls1.com.au
I am very much jealous of how far you have got with yours!
#145
_LXSS350_
Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:12 PM
What is all that extra rubbish on top of your engine ? And that pulley looks a bit different than a normal LS
God knows. But then again I never payed attention when I was at school either.
#146
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:40 PM
Updates?
What gearbox are you putting in?
Must be close now
Haha, updates are coming soon
Mine is the 4l60e auto Grant. Yours is definitely further along than me. I'm about to order a tailshaft; once installed and a few things tidied up it should be a driver. Still no word from the guy doing my trim. He's only had the seats and cards for 8 months
#147
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:46 PM
My trimmer had my seats for 6 weeks and I cracked up.
Well they say good things come to those that wait
#148
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:18 PM
Replaced the oil cap!!
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Also, fixed the water leak from the heater plumbing, installed the trans oil cooler and plumbed it in, connected up the handbrake cables and adjusted it up. All going well, I should be installing the tailshaft tomorrow.
#149
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:26 PM
#150
_LS1 Taxi_
Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:36 PM
Picked up and installed the new tailshaft this morning. I can't believe how heavy it is....a quality unit!
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Also connected the B&M shifter brackets to the trans while I was down there.
Installed the wiper motor and mechanisms and screwed down the cowl for good
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And here is a shot of the trans cooler.
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Next job is going to be neatening up and permanently mounting the wiring and also to wire the fans up and make sure they're switching on/off as they should.
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