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#26 Torana_Boy

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:39 PM

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Windows and bumpers are all there. Spare tail light surrounds and window chrome.


I had a look at the chrome clip bits. I don't know what they look like from factory or what the rare spare ones are like but I felt up inside the doors and panels where they were and couldn't feel any bumps/holes/or rivits.


At the end of the day the main concern is can I get this car registered but knowing what it is would also be nice :)

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

Also (being dodgy here) if I can't get it registered could I use 4cyl 2 door plates and chassis number section to get it registered? My mate chopped up a 4cyl 2 door to fix his gtr

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

Rego will not be a problem. What is he asking for it?

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

Rego will not be a problem. What is he asking for it?

if worst comes to worst you could always get a police number issued
saves been "dodgey" :)

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:46 PM

From what I can see in your latest pics the car is a 1972 Adelaide build LJ, so none of those 3 Brisbane ID tags belong to that car. It also appears that it has had at the very least both front guards replaced with 1973 front guards and a NOS spare part left hand wheelhouse panel (hence no chassis number).

 

What you have described sounds consistent with the moulding studs under the rear qtr window openings being original electrofusion studs. This would indicate the car is a GTR but without the original ID tags it may be best to just consider it to be a Torana S body shell.

 

Under the circumstances it may be useful to fit the May 72 compliance plate for rego. 



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

He's asking 8k
I don't want to be dodgy I'd just like to get it registered. At the end of the day it's still a 2 door but its nice to know it could've been a gtr :)

When you say fit the 72 tag is that the one that says 2 door sedan?

Oh and thanks for the replys guys you've been a great help!

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:18 PM

Hi

 

The 82911 tag is a Mustard GTR from around the 3rd week of March '73.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza


Edited by Bazza, 10 March 2013 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

Cheers baz! Reckon 8k is a fair price?

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:29 PM

I think you should try and work out what parts are not there for completion , and how hard they will be to get  , It seems like he might not be going to supply all you need ,and with odd tags  , until you know what what you are getting it is hard to put a price on it . I would not seem to keen , and offer $5K and tell him why , you don't have anything to lose , not saying it could not be a good car , but if you have to sell it later the tags will feature in the price , not the fact you have spent another ten grand on it .



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:49 PM

He's asking 8k
I don't want to be dodgy I'd just like to get it registered. At the end of the day it's still a 2 door but its nice to know it could've been a gtr :)

When you say fit the 72 tag is that the one that says 2 door sedan?

Oh and thanks for the replys guys you've been a great help!

Yes, the Compliance plate with the build date,  2 dr sedan, the chassis number and the ADR numbers.

 

Also agree with TBM, 8K seems a bit much for one with no true identity.

 

edit: If you are serious about purchasing this car and tags then I would advise running a check on the chassis number on the compliance plate to make sure it's not listed as stolen.

 

Cheers

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Edited by S pack, 10 March 2013 - 04:55 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

^good point!
Yeah I don't think he's that keen on selling it that cheap... But he said he won't finish it ever and money talks. So ill do my best

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:24 PM

8k is a lot for a coupe with no tags. All that means is that when it is restored, and you decide you want to sell, you are going to have trouble getting the money you want because people are put off. But then again it's entirely up to you!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:49 AM

Danyon

 

Just looking at the boot pics again. I notice there is only one spare wheel mtg bracket on the boot floor next to the wheel well. S & SL Torana have two brackets on the boot floor, GTR and XU1 only have one bracket. In my mind the possibility of that Torana being a GTR has just increased.



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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:50 AM

well spotted dave  the guard is  adalaide i cant see the other guard, theres every chance that its a gtr but im in doubt if the gtr tag is off this car, 2 things i see are 1 its a brissi tag mustard, the other is the color on thr rear parcell shelf looks like purr pull????? it might have been painted purr pull,

but from whats been shown this torana is worth the money the owner is asking,

but if i were u i would try to get the car at the 6k to 7k mark, u wouldent have to do much to get this back to gether, 

 

my 2 bobs worth

regards  aldo



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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:38 AM

Thanks again guys. I'm taking S Packs advice and getting the tag checked out for rego purposes. Maybe later down the track I would be able to et my hands on gtr tags but really I'm not that fussed. After all I was only interested to know if I could get it registered!
Ill keep you updated
Cheers,
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

 Maybe later down the track I would be able to et my hands on gtr tags
 

 

That's a no-no :ph34r:



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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

That's a no-no :ph34r:

unless it's the orginal tags off this car
which i see two chances if finding....

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:38 AM

the car is 100% adelaide late 73 and has all signs of being a gtr,

 

cheers gong



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:11 AM

I'll disagree John, this part of the chassis rail is 1972 but the whole front end of this car is 1973. You can just see two of the spot welds on the outrigger bolt hole washer.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

Ok I won't do a dodgy. Just trying to find out how to get the tags checked then I'm going to get back to the bloke about a price. The car is actually for my partner and she's dead set on it. Just need to get the best price :)

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

when i put the rail kit in my chev v8 73 2door torana 10 years ago i needed to cut and grind them supports down so it would fit, i know what your saying about the spot welds on the pre 73 washers, but it looks more like the body deadner they have used to make the under car look good... the only way this car is not 100% 73 is if the car has had a shut and cut, witch is quite possible judging by the weld across the gearbox tunnel as well as the floor pans.

can the bloke buying this car get me a pic of the trans tunnel from under the car above the gearbox ???so we can see if its double skin or single.

 

other than that i stick to my first call of 100%adelaide 73 gtr.

cheers gong



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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:27 AM

John

 

That area of the chassis rail where a 73 would have the brace still has original GMH body deadener on it. There's no sign of grinding marks or left over bits of metal that I can see. Touch ups to the deadener have been done where the new floor pan sections were welded to the rail.

 

 

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 06:59 AM

can you post pics of the seat belt pivots on back quaters under quater windows please, because if its had a shut and cut they would not have changed the rear pivots.

 

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:29 PM

Ill post more photos if I buy the car mate :) my main concern is if I can get it registered.

I called service tas today and I got good news and bad news.
Good news: as far as the records are concerned the car isn't stolen (buy the 72 plates)
But the car cannot be registered if I can't provide proof of previous registration (because there is no chassis number to match the plates)

If I am able to find a previous rego record the car will get a blue plate from transport (I have to write to the transport minister to enquire about the rego)




Has anyone had to deal with this before?
can I stamp on the chassis number myself orhave the chassis number stamped back on the car to avoid this?

It would be a shame to not put the old girl back on the road!

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 04:12 PM

I think you asked the wrong questions. It should be able to be registered without them.

As far as proving a precious rego, rubbish. Say it came from another state, they can't search all,the databases surely?




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