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#1 _UCL98_

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:49 PM

I'm interested in hearing if others are using a gear vendor on there th350 or th400 ?
I was looking into manualising a 4L80 but was warned off it by several builders, and only one mentioned a gear vendor to me.
Tunnel mods are not a problem, problem for me is picking what box will last and be best value for $, , diff is 9" with 4.11 gear and 28inch tyres
Wondering if gear vendors work with full manual reverse pattern boxes,
Pros and cons on the Gear vendor ?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:45 AM

I've had a few Chev trucks around that had a gear vendors in them...they seemed to be a good unit and had no dramas...the only issue you might have is over all length in a car with as short a wheel base as a Torana. You are going to end up with a pretty short tail shaft, want to make sure all your driveline angles will be ok ?

 

If you are looking to drag race, hence the full manual box, not sure if it is worth the effort of a GV ?  They are pretty strong and get used in lots of motorhomes and what not, but not sure how quickly they will shift if needed too, etc ?

 

What about a built T700 ?

 

If you were going to go the T400/GV route, my mate there might have a second hand GV kit around to suit....(We had sent a truck over with one on it, and he pulled it all out before selling, not 100% sure if he still has it or not, but could check) but as said...might be a bit of a long package in a short wheelbase car ?



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:41 AM

The other thing to consider is the Gear Vendors unit only offers a small overdrive, the ratio is similar to what you'd get in a Jap 5 speed (0.78:1) whereas most V8 transmissions would have something closer to 0.7:1 at least. To me it seems a bit of a waste, a V8 will happily push a taller gear which gives better options for diff ratio while maintaining economy and cruising manners.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:57 AM

I guess I am just spoiled with a T56 and a .5 ratio 6th gear then.  :D

 

 

 

(My daily driver Chev pickup has a 6 speed auto, not sure off hand what the 6th ratio is though?)



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:33 PM

6L80E ratios are usually

Gear ratios:

1  4.027

2  2.364

3  1.532

4  1.152

5  0.852

6  0.667

R  3.064
 

 

Now the thing to remember with this sort of box is there is no direct drive 1:1 like on normal boxes

So in effect you are always driving a planetary and therefore always have components turning and wearing

Also not as strong. However 80 series boxes are plenty beefy and strong for the most part



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

So far so good with it (knock on wood).  I have had the truck since near new (it's an '11 model, I got it with just over 8000 miles on the clock) and hopefully it will hold up as well as all my other Chev's had done.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

I was looking into a 700 or 4l80 but seems every builder has said ill spends lots of $$$$ and still not to strong for what I'm after, I suppose I'm trying to find a good balance of drag/street obviously people say you can really only set up for one or the other but I'm going to try and set mine up so I can still cruise down highway on weekends :) and drag when ever I feel like it,
I will be going a th400 but still unsure about a gear vendor. Everything I have read about the GV is they give a like half gear in every gear if you want,
I really want to find out firstly if it is going to even fit for Torana, secondly is like to find out ratio it gives for the 4th gear ( or 3 1/2 gear )
I've Read a GV can handle big massive hp so if I have th400 built super strong a GV should handle as well ??
Also If anyone knows how to calculate what RPM at 100km by using wheel size,diff ratio, transmission ratio. Could you post a link on here please.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:09 AM

Your 4L80 won't fit and the GV will hit on the crossover at the rear of the tunnel .If you are super keen you could cut it all out and fit  one in .4L 80 is very big and heavy .Wholesale automatics or PACT can do you a killer T700 and run a set of 3.25 gears .

But if you want one....



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:29 AM

Another option if size is an issue, is a built T200... (Art Carr here was the guy here really doing them up/into them?)



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:30 PM

I really want to find out firstly if it is going to even fit for Torana, secondly is like to find out ratio it gives for the 4th gear ( or 3 1/2 gear )

No not without significant modification, and as above the ratio is 0.78:1.

Also If anyone knows how to calculate what RPM at 100km by using wheel size,diff ratio, transmission ratio. Could you post a link on here please.

Just do the maths...
100km/h / 60 minutes = 1666.67m/min
/ rolling circumference (e.g. 205/70R14 tyre roughly 2.05m) = 813 wheel revolutions per min
x diff ratio (e.g. 3.45:1) = 2804rpm at driveshaft, which is engine RPM in top (1:1 gear)
x gear ratio (e.g. 0.78:1) = 2187rpm

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

Haha just do the maths you say ,
15inch rims with 28x12 tyres.
4.11 diff gear
it's got me absolutely stuffed how to figure out the rolling circumference

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:40 PM

found a calculator and these are figures it gave me 3371 rpm at 100km/h or with GV its 2390 rpm at 100km/h. ,

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:38 AM

^ Both of those numbers can't be correct if the overdrive ratio is 0.78.

If they're 28" tall then they're approx 88" circumference (pi x diameter) which is 2.234m (25.4mm per inch), so...

100km/h / 60 minutes = 1666.67m/min
/ rolling circumference (2.234m) = 746 wheel revolutions per min
x diff ratio (4.11:1) = 3066rpm at driveshaft, which is engine RPM in top (1:1 gear)
x gear ratio (0.78:1) = 2391rpm

Note that calculating the circumference probably isn't the ideal method due to the way a tyre moves, especially a drag slick. Pump them up to a good pressure (to best simulate growth from higher turning speed) then simply mark a spot on the tyre and on the driveway or garage floor and see how far it goes along the ground in one revolution. You'll probably get a slightly smaller number than what I calculated above.

You're not going to fit a 28" tyre under a Torana without surgery either.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:57 AM

The calculators are OK with a manual gearbox where there is direct mechanical drive. A torque converter in a T400 is a fluid coupling (no lock up). You may have 10%-15% slip at 100kph and your engine revs will therefore increase.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:12 AM

 

You're not going to fit a 28" tyre under a Torana without surgery either.

 

 

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:04 PM

I have already mini tubbed my car, cheers for that info , seems with auto 3 speed it be fine. Will not be driving around australia

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:06 PM


100km/h / 60 minutes = 1666.67m/min
/ rolling circumference (2.234m) = 746 wheel revolutions per min
x diff ratio (4.11:1) = 3066rpm at driveshaft, which is engine RPM in top (1:1 gear)
x gear ratio (0.78:1) = 2391rpm

You're not going to fit a 28" tyre under a Torana without surgery either.


That is the same figure I got for the gear vendor, and the first figure was for just th400 with 1.1 . wtf




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