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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:16 PM
They would have all looked similar on the production line, especially the SS hatches, as the flares etc were fitted later, off site.
I just don't see a glove box sticker being the key identifier, the glove box insert isn't the first part to be installed and I don't see them deciding which car is to be A9X optioned that late in the game.
There would've been a build sheet attached to each chassis, I'm sure GM-H would've had these back in 1977.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:51 PM
You work in injection moulding?
I'm a fabrication engineer (the fancy name for a tin tapper), the press was a hydraulic sheet metal punch for want of a better word.
That was over 10 years ago now.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:57 PM
and I don't see them deciding which car is to be A9X optioned that late in the game.
There would've been a build sheet attached to each chassis, I'm sure GM-H would've had these back in 1977.
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Production option A9X would have been stated on the production broadcast sheet before the car was assembled. Just like the XU1's production broadcast sheets they were an 82911 model with PO XU1.
They would have known which hatches and sedans had PO A9X right the way through the production process, they wouldn't have needed a label stuck in the glove box to tell them. The label may well have been needed or deemed to be needed for ID after the vehicle rolled out the production plant door.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:18 PM
They would have all looked similar on the production line, especially the SS hatches, as the flares etc were fitted later, off site.
The label may well have been needed or deemed to be needed for ID after the vehicle rolled out the production plant door.
Fair point.
It still doesn't solve the mystery as why many don't have the sticker.
Is it a paper or vinyl adhesive? It looks like if you tried peeling it you could either rip it or peel away a layer of cardboard damaging the finish of the insert.
I somehow don't see workers wasting their time/money peeling these things off.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:51 PM
I see no logical reason for this sticker, particularly where it's located.
Some have mentioned to ID the car for on the production line or for dealers.
This makes no sense as the only time the car would need to be identified on the production line is at early stages prior to trim being fitted and this was done by the markings on the floor.
Cars were already identified by the broadcast sheet attached to the cars during production also. Some may remember the pictures from the magazine feature a few years ago showing the orange SS with sheet attached to the front windscreen.
If a dealer was that stupid he couldn't ID an A9X hatch or sedan from the SS or SLR5000 model then he really needed a swift kick in the arse, and the labeling would be in a more visable spot where it would be easily removed on delivery.
The glovebox is no different to any other late LX Torana, so trying to ID it as being an A9X part doesn't work either.
I personally have looked at an awful lot of cars over the years, I've never seen any of these decals, evidence of them, or heard from anyone of their existance. In over 20 years of being in the A9X club, not one person ever mentioned having seen one of these labels? Why hasn't it ever been mentioned before now? For anyone who has been around Toranas for a while, when you get a bunch of guys like this in bunches standing around talking, you wouldn't believe some of the things you hear, talking about the tiniest little points on the cars, yet it's never come up before now? The one in Darkys car is quite visable. Surely it's been seen before now
I've seen both Wayne and darkys cars in the past, darkys was in a million pieces in a storage shed in the mid 90's when I saw it. I've looked at cars that have barely had a spanner on them that are one owners and they don't have this label or evidence of it. To pull it off would certainly do damage.
If these are a genuine thing, I think your answer will lay in the 3 cars claiming to have them and where they came from originally. I think it's odd two of them seem to be in Adelaide. ATL-Adelaide Transport Location.........
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:58 PM
If these are a genuine thing, I think your answer will lay in the 3 cars claiming to have them and where they came from originally.
Yep, you'd have to compare the similarities of the cars with the sticker against those that don't have the sticker.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:28 PM
I see no logical reason for this sticker, particularly where it's located.
Some have mentioned to ID the car for on the production line or for dealers.
This makes no sense as the only time the car would need to be identified on the production line is at early stages prior to trim being fitted and this was done by the markings on the floor.
Cars were already identified by the broadcast sheet attached to the cars during production also. Some may remember the pictures from the magazine feature a few years ago showing the orange SS with sheet attached to the front windscreen.
If a dealer was that stupid he couldn't ID an A9X hatch or sedan from the SS or SLR5000 model then he really needed a swift kick in the arse, and the labeling would be in a more visable spot where it would be easily removed on delivery.
The glovebox is no different to any other late LX Torana, so trying to ID it as being an A9X part doesn't work either.
I personally have looked at an awful lot of cars over the years, I've never seen any of these decals, evidence of them, or heard from anyone of their existance. In over 20 years of being in the A9X club, not one person ever mentioned having seen one of these labels? Why hasn't it ever been mentioned before now? For anyone who has been around Toranas for a while, when you get a bunch of guys like this in bunches standing around talking, you wouldn't believe some of the things you hear, talking about the tiniest little points on the cars, yet it's never come up before now? The one in Darkys car is quite visable. Surely it's been seen before now
I've seen both Wayne and darkys cars in the past, darkys was in a million pieces in a storage shed in the mid 90's when I saw it. I've looked at cars that have barely had a spanner on them that are one owners and they don't have this label or evidence of it. To pull it off would certainly do damage.
If these are a genuine thing, I think your answer will lay in the 3 cars claiming to have them and where they came from originally. I think it's odd two of them seem to be in Adelaide. ATL-Adelaide Transport Location.....
....Mine is not an Adelaide delivered car and it has not been mentioned before because its not important
Edited by outer control, 25 July 2013 - 06:28 PM.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:31 PM
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Maybe the Baron should be elevated to GURU status
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:51 PM
....Mine is not an Adelaide delivered car and it has not been mentioned before because its not important
This place gets a bit boring sometimes, so every now and then we need something really trivial to deliberate over.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:15 PM
because its not important
This place gets a bit boring sometimes, so every now and then we need something really trivial to deliberate over.
Yes, outer control should've used an apostrophe for it's
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:17 PM
I have never seen an A9X in the flesh and probably won't for a number of years, but i would just about bet my left nut that this sticker is a wind up to draw in red. For one this sticker looks easily replicable, another thing nobody has ever mentioned any identification mark for a9x'S untill this sticker except tags. And that sticker is in such an obvious place that someone would surely have mantioned it prior. Good wind up but IMO fake as frock and it is ony being brought up as red knows alot about a9x's and it is seen as amusing if you can find something that he does not.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 11:54 PM
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:16 AM
So JohnUC, what is the origin of this sticker? REDTAXI claimed earlier in this thread when OT posted his, to have seen one before but now it is BS?
It was on my car when I got it over twenty years ago.
When cars are viewed for any reason......does anyone or even judges at car shows go through a glove box? I have never seen it done. Even at the 2004 A9X Nationals that I assisted judging with.....but hey, who the F&ck am I to know hey? Just re-built mine up over 20 years, every nut/bolt touched, a build from the ground up. I can tell you what manufacturer's stamping should be on every bolt head. Yes they are different and it all depended on what supplier during that period as they were different on earlier LX's. I have spend hundreds if not thousands of hours poring over these cars to get everything right for my build.
But hey as I said, what the hell would I know!.....I'm not A9X Guru.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:45 AM
Pretty sure the same A9-X sticker was put on UC torana's to try to take attention away from the tail lights. 
_outer control_
Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:04 AM
Pretty sure the same A9-X sticker was put on UC torana's to try to take attention away from the tail lights.
No UC had BU stickers [butt ugly]
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:10 AM
Not even close to being convinced.
For starters Baron, I was judging those cars as well you may remember, and I did open every glove box, not one car had one.
You have had your car for over 20 years this is the first time it's ever come up.
Please please don't sit there and tell me you never saw that 20 years ago and asked other people if they had seen one before.
Outer, you have owned your car for a long time and never spotted it before, but when I asked why it's never mentioned before now you say because it's not important!? How can you say you never mentioned it because it was unimportant if you have only just now become aware of it?? It's importance is irrelevant.
Please don't tell me you guys and everyone associated with these cars don't go around picking every little tiny point you can on them and this has never come up before. I've been to A9X nationals before and heard all the discussions and if this had been spotted by anyone before, to be sure it would have come up no matter how insignificant you now claim it to be. Baron you say you know every nut and bolt, you built the car up from the ground, I can confirm that after having seen it as nothing but a shell,but how is it cars that have very low km and have never had so much as a paint touch up don't have it? How do I even know the glovebox in your car is the original?
BTW Darky, since the Guru thing is such an issue for you (and for the record I never put that in my profile), I have rectified it for you. I hope it puts a smile on your face.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:23 AM
How do I even know the glove box in your car is the original?
That's definitely a possibility.
It does seem unlikely that a few had worn out their glove box insert by the late 80's but you never know, they may have bought repros to prepare their car for a concours trophy at a car show back then.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:27 AM
Could it possibly be labelling on NOS glove box inserts?
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:00 AM
Would NOS glove box inserts have been available before 1990, when I saw the sticker in Baron's car before he owned it.
Pete.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:07 AM
Would NOS glove box inserts have been available before 1990, when I saw the sticker in Baron's car before he owned it.
Pete.
Whoops, got NOS mixed up with repro, of course NOS would have been around, but would not have needed to be labelled A9X specifically, as they were no different.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:19 AM
would not have needed to be labelled A9X specifically, as they were no different.
The number is arbitrary as long as the supplier knows it fits all LH-LX.
The dunce probably labelled all the LC-LJ ones as XU-1.
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_The Baron_
Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:26 PM
Not even close to being convinced.
MOB, I am really not interested in convincing anyone, let alone you. A question was asked, I put it out there.
You have had your car for over 20 years this is the first time it's ever come up. Please please don't sit there and tell me you never saw that 20 years ago and asked other people if they had seen one before. Please don't tell me you guys and everyone associated with these cars don't go around picking every little tiny point you can on them and this has never come up before. I've been to A9X nationals before and heard all the discussions and if this had been spotted by anyone before, to be sure it would have come up no matter how insignificant you now claim it to be. Baron you say you know every nut and bolt, you built the car up from the ground, I can confirm that after having seen it as nothing but a shell,but how is it cars that have very low km and have never had so much as a paint touch up don't have it? How do I even know the glovebox in your car is the original?
As you state, my car has basically been in pieces for decades, it has never been judged at a Nationals and whilst many things are discussed like what ID plate rivets should be painted, I never thought to discuss this sticker, not when there are so many other opinions flying around. Since this car has been in my possession I think there has only been around 3 people look in the glove box anyway. Me, the wife and a member putting a camera away who did not spot or comment of the sticker.
BTW Darky, since the Guru thing is such an issue for you (and for the record I never put that in my profile), I have rectified it for you. I hope it puts a smile on your face.
REDBALLS, I can assure you that the removal has NOT put a smile on my face. Credit where credit is due, you have put an incredible amount of time and effort into pursuing the history of the race cars and you have a good handle on it. But in the big picture you can never know everything. What really gets annoying is how people seem to hang off your words as if they are gospel. Particularly when you disagree with things. Sure get rid of Guru and replace it with GOD, I personally don't care.
Anyway, this should not have got personal and I apologize to all.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:02 PM
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:12 PM
When I noticed this thread the first thing I did was go and check the glovebox inside to see if I had one, and My brothers car has never been replaced, one owner 28,000K's, no sticker or mark of a sticker. Like Red A9X said, it could have been a shipping destination sticker for some reason.
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