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[xu2308]

The HT with the 427 Chevy V8 that GMH Engineering built to show Vic Police, that Norm Darwin told us about

[Dr Terry]

the origanal had overhead cam heads which where stolen or removed whislt in storage regards Marcus

This is how myths are born. The original Hurricane as released in 1969 had OHV heads, it wasn't until the late 70s or early 80s that they began experimenting with OHC set-ups & them not in the Hurricane. But even if they did, it was still a one-off prototype/concept so would not qualify for this discussion.

 

Dr Terry

[Dr Terry]

Not production, but the 400ci SBC that was in a few cars, the 350Z was one and Max Wilson's Contessa Gold GTS350 another. The 350Z was never registered but the Gold car was.

 

Also the BBC (427 I think) and the LT1 350's tried in HG's.

 

As for production engines my guess would be a low compression engine, maybe the low comp 308 in Bedford trucks and buses. Or maybe one of the later engines in low comp like a WM in a WB or a VM (red or blue) in VB-VH. Might only be sold in the 100's but maybe not as low as the 150 x final spec XU-1 engines.

I'd also think if we were going by engine number rather than actual engine something like an XQE or XZE (auto low compression ADR27A LX or UC) would be very rare, but they are the same engine as a Holden QE or ZE with the X stamped in front for Torana.

 

WT would be very rare as well (WB commercial 308), only a handful of these would have been made without the 11 or 12 Statesman prefix..

Prototypes & concepts like the 400 & LT1 SBC don't count. The WT would be identical to the 11WT or 12WT, except for the stamped number,  so doesn't qualify. I believe the Bedford V8s were made in good numbers, they were plentiful in the trade in the early 80s.

 

Some of the lo-comp motors however are quite rare, but the quantities would be unknown.

 

Would the 200+ 73 XU1 units be significantly different to qualify ? Given that the block was a special casting & there are several other documented differences probably so.

 

In another post somebody mentioned the W427, but these are HSV, not Holden.

 

Dr Terry

[REDA9X]

Yes the W427 was a HSV product, but the engines were installed by Holden, not HSV, so wouldn't that qualify?

[wot179]

Holden 6s and 8s are hardly a rare engine.

 

I don't recon a bore, a cam and a headjob count as rare.

 

However, they all have a different number stamped on them, so each one is a one-off in its own right.

[REDA9X]

What about the 220i engine in the VT. Couldn't have been too many of those

[wot179]

How bout one of those poxy 4 bangers they stuck in UCs?

There were a couple of different abortions they threw in them I think.

If they weren't rare then, I hope they are now.

[A9X]

if you go down that track, what about the nissan 6 in the commonwhore

[wot179]

Diesel Gemini?

[rodomo]

201ci Holden red concrete agitator motor.

[A9X]

Holden engine in the Tiger Moth

[wot179]

[VIXL34s]

cant beleve it, a two cylinder holden. i wanted to suggest the 308 X block which were in some L34s and i beleve there were only about 60 of these ever cast. i have one about to go in my car

[yel327]

Prototypes & concepts like the 400 & LT1 SBC don't count. The WT would be identical to the 11WT or 12WT, except for the stamped number, so doesn't qualify. I believe the Bedford V8s were made in good numbers, they were plentiful in the trade in the early 80s.

Some of the lo-comp motors however are quite rare, but the quantities would be unknown.

Would the 200+ 73 XU1 units be significantly different to qualify ? Given that the block was a special casting & there are several other documented differences probably so.

In another post somebody mentioned the W427, but these are HSV, not Holden.

Dr Terry

I think there was only 150 of those final spec XU1 engines. There are 151 cars but one of them probably has the previous spec engine. More than 150 got the final spec add-ons (carbs, headers etc) that were put on at the assembly plant but evidence suggests only 150 production engines existed.

From what I have been told the other really rare engine would be an auto HT-HG 350, these are very different to manual variants, could be as low as 150.

HBD 195i VSIII or maybe VT engines would be scarce too. The VT version had different valve springs and got a different prefix where the VSIII versions stayed with the same prefix as 179kW version afaik.

[Stinga]

Hi Dr Terry i bet you will find that HSV is actually GMH holden now days it isn't a separate devision like HDT was back in the old days so the W427 would defiantly qualify and possibly be the rearmost engine put into a production car by GMH thats the LS7

i would say The xu1 150s held the tittle for a long time but passably waited in under wait on this one

 

rearmost engine... that would be the hurricane wouldnt it? or craigs hd...

[RallyRed]

hi guys..


A lot of water has passed under this bridge -


However , refering to Indie's original post, he refers to -


1 - installed by GMH into its cars

and

2 - 138 red motor ?or maybe 149?I had a 138 red motor

Thus, I'd be thinkin FACTORY installed, and CUBIC CAPACITY is the criteria here.............................

[rodomo]

What about the 253? engine in the holden museum in Echuca, from memory it has the engine number 001 ???

Code named RD 001; the Hurricane .................

From here: http://media.gm.com/...nHurricane.html

[S pack]

theres the 138 engines built there was really very little differences between them all

 

 

132.5 cubic inches

 

• 1948–1953 Holden FX
• 1948–1953 Holden 48-215 (sedan)
• 1951–1953 50-2106 (coupé utility)
• 1953 48-215-257 (Business/Taxi sedan, sometimes abbreviated to 48-217)

 

138 cubic inches

 

• 1953–1956 Holden FJ
• 1956–1958 Holden FE
• 1958–1960 Holden FC
• 1960–1961 Holden FB
• 1961–1962 Holden EK
• 1962–1963 Holden EJ

 

 

Superseding the Grey motor, the Red motor was manufactured between 1963 and 1980

 

Unless you have a lc torana made in 1963 or befor then

You missed one Bitch.

The LC Torana had a 2250cc red motor. It was the metric equivalent of the 138ci grey motor.