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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:49 PM

Good point, they all seem to be suffering from whalism these days.

 

Hiluxes are now way bigger than the original 40 Series Landcruiser and I was looking through the owners manual of my mum's approx. 2005 Corolla a few years ago and it apparently weighs 1340 kilos.

 

A 6 cylinder HJ Kingswood weighs 1350 !

 

The Commodores are not that big really. Like you say when you live in country areas everyone is driving big vehicles.

 

I think they stuck with the Commodores here to satisfy the dwindling local market, possibly hoping for better days, and also to maintain exports to the US and UAE while they imported almost everything else.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:02 PM

Its important to remember how long it takes to bring a car from drawing board to release.

As someone said earlier (me I think) the VE was designed at a time when our local sales were strong and the middle east couldn't get enough of our Caprices. The yanks wanted our Monaro - all was rosy.

Yes by late VZ the goalposts were moving but at that point the VE was almost ready and nothing could be changed.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:36 PM

Good point, they all seem to be suffering from whalism these days.

 

Hiluxes are now way bigger than the original 40 Series Landcruiser and I was looking through the owners manual of my mum's approx. 2005 Corolla a few years ago and it apparently weighs 1340 kilos.

 

Yes, but, the commodore FEELS that big, the hilux doesnt. My Hilux is nearly the same size as my old 80 series, but it feels like a much smaller car. 

 

The Commy just feels like a giant big tank whale thing.

 

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:02 PM

VE, nice car, no doubt IMHO. But.................surely the software glitch and the timing chain issue would have hurt sales?



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:28 AM



4. You are losing credibility by denigrating the Commodore by calling it a dunny or a whale. It still happens to be one of the best RWD cars (of any size) in the world, especially at its price point, Australians should be proud of it.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:21 AM

Some more interesting reading.

 

http://www.theaustra...-1226779253154#

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:42 AM

Maybe the company signed the Holden Enterprise Agreement to shift blame for the closure onto the Unoin and workers ?

 

 

Now watch the same thing happen in other industries such as mining to justify hiring foreign labour.

 

 

Destroying the credibility of unions is the number one priority of Mudcock and co. at this point in the evolution of the kleptocratis and their NWO.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:31 AM

Maybe the company signed the Holden Enterprise Agreement to shift blame for the closure onto the Unoin and workers ?

 

 

Now watch the same thing happen in other industries such as mining to justify hiring foreign labour.

 

 

Destroying the credibility of unions is the number one priority of Mudcock and co. at this point in the evolution of the kleptocratis and their NWO.

A little hostility there perhaps. I didn't realise people still thought this way in the new century.

 

It sounds like some of the diatribe dished out when I went to uni in the early 70s.

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:44 PM

From the article :

"ONLY $150 million a year will save Holden? Rubbish. The Holden Enterprise Agreement is the document that has utterly sunk Holden's prospects. It defies belief that someone in the company isn't being held to account for it."

 

 

As far as I am aware kleptocrats is a fairly new term, coined since the Russian people wrested control back from the 'Bolsheviks' who then spread across the Western world and installed themselves within the governments of various other nations, utilising the vast wealth they accumulated during the Soviet era.

 

And I seriously doubt that NWO was a term used in the early 70's.

 

Not sure who you were listening to back then but as far as I am aware it was 'Bolsheviks' in the union movement sabotaging particular carmakers (and the credibility of the unions) in those days.

 

These 'Bolsheviks' have no allegiance to either side of the political debate and will use whatever means are necessary, from liberalism to terrorism, to undermine our societies and further their agenda.

 

As I said before Putin seems to be the only major leader with the guts to take them on though there have been some encouraging signs from other countries recently.

 

 

Unfortnuately Canada and Australia are now firmly in their control, due mainly to the political naivety of our leaders.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:53 PM

I seriously doubt that NWO was a term used in the early 70's.

 

Are you serious?

 

One of the earliest standalone uses of the phrase "New World Order" was the title of the 1920 book The New World Order by Frederick C Hicks, but is usually misattributed to H.G. Wells' 1940 book of the same name.

 

The phrase had previously been used by Nicholas Murray Butler in his 1917 book A World in Ferment. "New World Order" was also used in a 1940 essay by occultist writer Alice Bailey which was included in her posthumously published 1957 compilation The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. To Hicks, Wells and Bailey the term meant a benevolent social democracy that would soon emerge, whilst Butler used the term to describe the First World War as it was being waged. Conspiracy theorists, however, believe the term goes back earlier: to Cecil Rhodes and Lionel Curtis circa 1909

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:59 PM

As I said, I do detect a little hostility.

 

Also I said it "sounds like" the diatribe I heard back then & it makes about the same amount of sense too.

 

I am originally an engineer & have no time for politics of any type, especially the extremist variety.

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:59 PM

Ok, I apologise.

 

 

But it is not being used to describe a 'benevolent social democracy' these days.

 

 

 

 

Politics ? If the global MSM wasn't so tightly controlled by those of whom I speak this wouldn't be considered 'politics' at all.

 

And that is a well known and easily proven fact, not diatribe.

 

Does being an engineer give you some ultimate grasp of what is to be interpretated as 'sense' ?

 

I would have thought that intelligence and objective research on the particular subject in question would have more sway there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:04 PM

As far as I am aware kleptocrats is a fairly new term, coined since the Russian people wrested control back from the 'Bolsheviks'

 

The term kleptocracy goes way back. 

 
Origin: 1815–20;  (from Greek: κλέπτης - kleptēs, "thief" and κράτος - kratos, "power, rule", hence "rule by thieves")
 
A government or state in which those in power exploit national resources and steal; rule by a thief or thieves.
 
I learnt something today, lol.
 
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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:37 PM

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:42 PM

Similar to the kind of left wing nut bags you would find in "greeny" circles these days

 

Are you serious?

 

One of the earliest standalone uses of the phrase "New World Order" was the title of the 1920 book The New World Order by Frederick C Hicks, but is usually misattributed to H.G. Wells' 1940 book of the same name.

 

The phrase had previously been used by Nicholas Murray Butler in his 1917 book A World in Ferment. "New World Order" was also used in a 1940 essay by occultist writer Alice Bailey which was included in her posthumously published 1957 compilation The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. To Hicks, Wells and Bailey the term meant a benevolent social democracy that would soon emerge, whilst Butler used the term to describe the First World War as it was being waged. Conspiracy theorists, however, believe the term goes back earlier: to Cecil Rhodes and Lionel Curtis circa 1909

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:53 PM

Does being an engineer give you some ultimate grasp of what is to be interpretated as 'sense' ?

 

I would have thought that intelligence and objective research on the particular subject in question would have more sway there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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No, not at all. It's just when I went to uni, I studied part time. This meant I worked a proper job 40 hrs a week & then went to uni 4 nights a week. As such, I had no time for all of the demonstrations & other goings-on that the full time students were into. This was the early 70s !!

 

Rightly or wrongly I had no interest in politics & philosophy & the like & besides, the students involved were usually from the humanities faculties, like arts & law etc. Don't get me started on that lot.

 

Anyway, as an engineer, you learn to grin & bare it. You learn after a while that no amount of noise making or hostility towards any one group or person ever gets any gain, in the long run. Maybe an engineering degree gives one nothing more than a very long fuse.

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:50 PM

I had no time for all of the demonstrations & other goings-on that the full time students were into. This was the early 70s !!

 

Rightly or wrongly I had no interest in politics & philosophy & the like & besides, the students involved were usually from the humanities faculties, like arts & law etc. Don't get me started on that lot.

 

I went to uni in the 80's/90's and nothing has changed from the above.

 

I suspect it's still the same today.

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:50 PM

Its the ludicrous and self serving blame game with no substantiation needed, all you need is the media report suspicion and innuendo.

 

As Holden is still manufacturing the full story and grit of the behind closed door conflicts and disagreements have yet to see the light of day. These story's will appear once the inevitable wind-up and change over occurs with many of the design and development management moving on.

 

I realise many people take their support of Holden much like many do with a football team, however that's not my nature because I call it as I see it. It's my opinion, I just choose not to blindly BS that a car is good just because of a badge. The last thing I do is go in with my eyes half closed. Now in saying that anyone who has read what I have said on my favourite Holden's the A9X hatch or HK GTS will know I regularly call them a POS because they are in so many aspects. (more so and logically now we are in 2013 of course)

 

But Christ all mighty pull the covers off them on any day and I still get a chubby. They look bloody amazing and in 2013 its no issue for me to make them stop, go and turn far better than any new 2013 performance car. However if the car is butt ugly and plastic like any dunny ....... then its clear that no amount of dramatic plastic surgery is ever going to make a dunny look good.

 

It will forever remain that boring fat plastic pig faced taxi with a half ass boob job.  (sorry dunny owners but that is imo and its my money)  My attitude is like say me looking at Miranda Kerr, (far too young for me but) even if I was in my 20's I would just keep walking and not look at her twice even in a bikini.     Horses for courses on the criteria of looks.

 

I am just not a 4 door guy of any make, brand, style or shape, it has nothing to do with it being a dunny or a Ferrari, Lambo or Hyundai. I disliked the big fat whales from HQ-WB for the same reason as the dunnys, much like I don't like the look of the taxi A9X or L34. That's not to say I like all 2 doors either as cars like the R35 might go very well but talk about a hell of an eyesore to look at.

 

I am by the same token NOT THE REGULAR CAR MARKET. I am that 0.001% of people that are far better to hotrod a car than buy a commonly available vehicle. In all of this thread I don't profess to have any personal insight into why buyers buy what they do because I wouldn't buy 99.999999% of those cars. But I do know business and the car business is only about one thing THE NUMBERS.

 

The behind closed door story of what happened here to Holden might make for a far better read than many are currently thinking. I think 4 Corners in 2017 might be able to do this story some justice with some teeth not this other media blame game. The issue is an issue of decades of culture in all the taxpayer handouts and protectionism since manufacturing started in Oz. This will go right to the top both in Government , Holden and in Detroit and I would say this should have died at least by 2005.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:59 PM

You wouldnt look twice at miranda kerr

Im worried about you col

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:27 PM

You wouldnt look twice at miranda kerr

Im worried about you col

 

 

No since I was a kid my heart and soul has always belonged to my little pommy girl - yes its you Audrey.

 

She is my hatch.

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:29 PM

Yeah she was a bit of alright to back in the day

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:32 PM

Miranda Kerr is average at best Gene. 

 

Below average in most crowds. 

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:36 PM

Miranda Kerr is average at best Gene. 
 
Below average in most crowds. 
 
Cheers. 

Time to get your glasses or eyes checked me thinks seriously

Or your gay

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I know there is better looking women in the world but to say she is average cmon

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:37 PM

Perhaps you just like to slide your cock into way uglier shit than me?

 

I have pretty high standards for an ugly bastard, hence i usually end up deciding to have a wank instead of take the "average" or "slightly below average" Miranda Kerr type home.

 

Same as i like to follow Motorsport thats way less gay than you follow, and like cars thar are way better looking than the ones you like?



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:44 PM

Yeah she was a bit of alright to back in the day

 

 

LOL Audrey is my vintage old son. She was the total class act. I used go to dozens of times to the movies just to watch her move. She still gives me that no need for viagra feeling that removing the covers off the Hatch and HK give me.

 

Miranda is only about as old as my latest gout outbreak.






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