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Hi Guy's, my two cents worth.
I f we loose a major manufacturing facility, we will never get it back.
If we retain it, then you have the opportunity to change.
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 04:52 PM
There is nothing wrong with the size of a Commodore, it's just a matter of choice.... i would buy a VF GTS at $90,000 odd over a C63 Merc at $180,000... any day but that is my choice....... In all truth I think the average car is now chosen by the women of the family.. they see there girlfriends driving Rav 4's, or Subaru's that are just as big as a commodore, and thats what they want. and the only difference is that they allow these women to sit high in the seat and they think there safer cause it's a 4x4... but as i said with Holden really only making one car, it is there own fault.. I was talking to a mate today, who bought a Jeep SRT8 $90,000 +, he is taking Jeep to Court because it wont reverse uphill, Jeep don't know how to fix it, and won't replace the car.. I said to him buy the Commodore GTS, but he wants a Toyota Sahara 4x4, and it will never go off road.. so small cars are the biggest sellers foreshore, but there will always be a need for large vehicles in one shape or another..... Holden just need to capitalize on this....
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 06:35 PM
Perhaps they should pull out, you know what happens when you don't !
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:50 PM
Holden Pulls Out. And blows it on our faces?
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:51 PM
No... Holden sleeps around and gets some manufacturer pregnant...
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:01 AM
Whenever Australia comes up with an inovative idea now it is exported to countries where production is cheaper. We have to create jobs here somehow. If that means taxing the wealthy and the big dollar companies more, companies who are continually boasting of their huge profits while simultaneously laying off thousands of staff, and subsidising the manufacturing industry then so be it. That is the only thing keeping many European countries afloat. The US model is kaput, for the last 30 or more years it has just been a means of syphoning public wealth into the hands of the elite and has now hit bottom. The sooner people realise this the better. Democratic socialism is the only way forward. People working together for the common good.
Which is precisely why the capitalists spend so much time and money demonising it. It is not 'Communism',
Now we are talking....Refreshing to find someone who speaks my language....
I live in Japan,and whilst we don't share your overheated wage and property market,we have some ( many) high class c-nt companies who screw
The f-uck out every employee.... Every last bloody bit they can get.....!
This is an international issue......
I fear that it needs to get real bad in Australia before it gets better....( when the property bubble bursts you will know.....)
I guess the public and the workers need to fight for Holden's survival .......
I wonder if that is likely to happen ......?
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 06:55 AM
Whenever Australia comes up with an inovative idea now it is exported to countries where production is cheaper. We have to create jobs here somehow. If that means taxing the wealthy and the big dollar companies more, companies who are continually boasting of their huge profits while simultaneously laying off thousands of staff, and subsidising the manufacturing industry then so be it. That is the only thing keeping many European countries afloat. The US model is kaput, for the last 30 or more years it has just been a means of syphoning public wealth into the hands of the elite and has now hit bottom. The sooner people realise this the better. Democratic socialism is the only way forward. People working together for the common good.
I agree with your post particularly the part about companies, both Australian an foreign owned listing massive profits in annual reports only to make redundant hundreds and sometimes thousands of workers simply to keep the share price going north and the ceo and boards remuneration going in the same direction.....
My answer is somewhat simplistic but I am sure you will get the idea....
Change the federal and state industrial legislation to force he following....... '1. With the lodgement of every quarters Business Activity Statement a company must declare its permanent fulltime headcount. And 2. For every $50 million dollars of profit before tax the companies permanent fulltime headcount must increase by 1 permanent staff member....
The choice to sack workers is an easy out for any ceo...... Having them forced to show some innovative and thoughtful ways to redeploy staff in their organisation might be beyond most of them....... Bring back the tea lady i say
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:14 AM
Having been a CEO and currently a GM, i have to take exception to your comments.
Its not easy to sack people, both morally nor legally.
A large portion of my week is spent working out how we can afford as a company to move forward with the current policies forced upon us by a government too busy on working out how to stay here next year, than where the country is in 20 and 50 years.
Skills shortages brought about by poor government decisions,
Lack of infrastructure around the country means greater FiFo,
General give a frOck attitude and social apathy doesn't help.
People are really quick to play the racist card but the reality here is we have a bunch of migrants ( lets not talk illegals ) who have come to this country from some shithole somewhere else and they genuinly 'get' the land of opportunity. They are happy to take any work because its already two steps up the ladder from where they are coming from.
They work hard to put there families through school and are quick to invest in their families futures. And pays off.
Small to medium industry in this country has been feeling the pain for too long, and for many people who have invested their lives, taken a punt on building something, they can't sell the business because its not worth anything, and they are stuck having bought themselves a job.
Need a brew.....
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:37 PM
What is there to take exception to..... all I am saying is that if your company lists a massive profit you should not be allowed to make full time positions redundant just so you can make even more profit the next year.
people see companies report profits up to and including the $billions and in the next breath the ceo announces job cuts of thousands..... do you think those ceo sleep at night..... like a bug in a rug I would say....
if a company is not making multi million dollar profits then keeping the company afloat is a priority and if job cuts help then go for it.....
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:19 PM
Holden announced just a minute ago they will close and become a sales and distribution company by 2017.
Very sad news with 2900 direct employees effectively getting the axe.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:02 PM
i'm taking exception to you saying its an easy out for a CEO to sack people
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:51 PM
Most of the bigger companies shrugged off all sense of social responsibility when they ceased taking on apprentices.
That is where the skills shortage came from, it is far cheaper to let someone else train staff and then poach them, or to bring them in from OS.
The general sense of apathy begins at the top not the bottom. Give most people from any culture a sense of importance and responsibility and they will be loyal to the end.
When I was young the majority of blue collar workers had lifelong employment if they were worthy. Now we have people doing 50 plus hours per week classified as 'casuals', with no real idea how long the job will last. And they are continually told that it is their responsibility to 'adapt' to such conditions.
The only difference really is governmental regulations. When the US style system worked company taxes were far higher than now, and were avoided by returning much of the profits back into the businesses. And the higher taxes provided greater public infrastructure spending, creating further employment.
When big business took complete control of our governments (Reaganomics and Thatcherism), by utilisation of anything from political 'lobbying' to outright blackmail and slander via their crony propagandists in the MSM, the general public became nothing more than 'consumers', to be exploited like domesticated livestock.
Anyone who thinks their government really gives a shit about whether they or their families live or die is seriously deluded. Those days are long gone.
Time for a Revolution methinks........ hoist the Southern Cross and we'll storm the Bastille. Off with their frOcking heads.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:00 PM
Heard the news??
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:07 PM
Well it’s been announced 2017 and Holden will no longer be built in Oz.
Its fine and dandy for some to say we can’t keep propping up this or other industries but when it’s you job on the line and the drama it brings when it does go and your no longer employed, and for some of these employees its been many years of service, they’re going to find it very hard to find another job. And where talking thousands of people and as we all know there will be other businesses that will fail or struggle to keep going.
Australia is moving into a new era, and it may not be a good one.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:09 PM
One sector that hasn't got a mention in this whole affair is the union movement. The auto workers unions are very strong (read militant) & it goes without saying that these large manufacturing plants are very unionized working environments. Some of the wages & conditions there are unheard of in the real world.
Some of those enterprise agreements are a little over generous.
If these guys were working at say 10-20% above award wages (instead of the gravy train that there on currently) Holden & Toyota wouldn't need handouts to survive at all.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:11 PM
End of a Era, sad day in OZ, I guess we get Corvettes and Chevy Volts now
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:50 PM
A bit tough when Mexican auto workers etc get around $2.50/hr.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:57 PM
It's the story of what happened to Detroit (and all our other auto plants around the country) all over again it seems..
Shame to see people lose jobs of course, but the government just pumping money into it isn't an end all solution either for sure.
Shame to see people lose jobs of course, but the government just pumping money into it isn't an end all solution either for sure.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:04 PM
GM didn't see the need to keep The Aussie Dream Alive......
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:16 PM
GM has been following Ford's lead for 100 years. 
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:41 PM
Oh great more invasion by Jeffs (LS1 Hatch) tobacco chewing, nascar cult, shoot-em dead cousins. My god as if one yank is not bad enough but overnight on bending over to pick up the soap it looks like those cousins have given our national brand the pork sausage.
Guess the chevy badges are not going anywhere.
The volt will no doubt be a decent seller for them here.
The vette will not be made for rhd.
The camaro will go up against the stang.
At least people can start planning but I guess the VF sell off will be interesting.
Anyone for buying all the moulds etc for the last car ever manufactured in Australia (parts and cars have to be a collectors items in 30yrs time).
The kids kids will be saying did Australia really make cars there?
WOW that must have been a long time ago I thought Australia was just a fly in fly out mining site that the Chinese own???
Gee Dad you must be old !!!
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well what do you say to the guys that will lose there jobs ,wife,and kids no money coming in means huge losses all round it has to be said that the people who run holden tryed to get more money out off the big house in canberra but how much do you have to give you dont see the mining companies getting a billion dollars to keep it afloat or the corner store that goes bankrupt getting money off them eather, so how much do we give i would like to see the guys in the big house that rip us off, how would they feel if they lost all there free perks and after they have finished in the big house why the hell should we still pay for there crap THIS PISSES ME OFF HUGE they are leaches on our hard earnd money no wonder we are in the shit we are in and as for that GST well how many Businesses has that FU##ED i think i better stop now im going to blow a boiler. sorry if i have affendered any one i dont mean to but i feel sorry for all the guys that have lost jobs because off our politicians FU#K UPS Good luck Boys.cheers sting
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:53 PM
GST is the fairest tax ever.
It should be on everything across the board, and should be higher.
Abolishing income tax at the same time of course....
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:58 PM
Hope when Holden shut the doors in 2017, they pass on there Archive info to someone like Norm Darwin etc, so the info is not lost like the stuff for the older Holden's seems to be.
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