Theres been a few complaints, this is getting a bit out of hand, time to tone it back a little before it's locked....
Complaints: from whom exactly Red?
You reference things like this, then you as a Moderator IMO you should morally stump up to it - if folk won't go public on their concerns then their basis ought to be disregarded by you IMO and thereafter it should not be cited in public text by you - these are the rules of 'natural justice' if you are familiar with the term.
And do say, are these genuine and formal complaints as to inappropriate conduct or content (rule breaking) by myself or Peter Zitis, or are they about mere opinion of folk discerning they simply don't 'like' the flavour, goings on or sentiment herein, and yet nonetheless asking their opinions do not warrant public dissemination by you?
I fear the later.
If the former; is this the best folks have to whinge about - a couple of blokes having a stoush over a consumer rights issue - seriously this brings you out in the capacity of a moderator...? And you give credence to this despite no such complaint being referred to me and I assume Peter Zitis by these faceless men either directly or via forum Mods as to breaches of rules (offensive conduct)?
If the later; why post this - to do so is ambiguous and confuses cowardly opinion of these faceless men with fact.
Most importantly; are the complaints substantiated: yes or no?
And I would also rhetoically ask where does the language, abuse, vilification and cowardice that goes on in this forum day in and day out from 'the usual suspects' compare to this thread? The former being something that is something which I submit is warranting attention and threat of sanction of Modertaors considerably more than this. Having said that - lock this thread by all means - like I said, I am over it, and likely the OP is over it as well (his question/s have been well and truly answered despite being seemingly disingenuous in hindsight I submit), and finally it is also likely is that Peter Zitis is just as much over it as evidenced by no additional posts from him despite being on-line only this afternoon.
Let me be clear Red; I am not into slagging you as a Mod - I genuinely and sincerly appreciate the role and contribution you and your fellow Mods make to forums of this ilk.
I will say however, that when you want to wield the big stick, it should be without fear, favour, malice or ill affection - citing unsubstantiated complaints which do not disclose conduct which breeches the rules of the forum as you did is not fair and just.
You 2 blokes need to get on the phone and talk about this
Sorry Datto - I will not say anything to Peter Zitis which is not in a public or recorded forum - his version of events has proven time and time again to be unreliable IME, and so it appears to others as well. By no means will I, or should anyone else open themselves to allegations of inappropriate commentary by having conversations which the content cannot be substantiated - I reference Peter Zitis' threat to launch civil proceedings for defamation as evidencing the need for open and reliable disclosure in every circumstance.
And so if I rely upon the forum to record sad commentary then I ask that you please permit my conduct.
But yes, I agree - this has dragged on, and is going in circles.
I believe my views ad concerns have widely been raised and no further corro is necessary.
thanks RED and DATTO it was getting a bit out of hand and awkward. And yes these guys need to get a room and thrash this out. This is not helpful for anyone on this forum and any personal attacks should not be discussed here.
I think you need to harden up Slack - this is nothing compared to the stoushes that regularly occur here - try the VK Big Banger thread as but a very recent example.
I note neither yourself, Datto nor Red had issue with the argy and bargy therein but hey, RHIP right...
If this particular thread causes you a corporal hurt then;
1. I apologise,
2. I suggest that perhaps stay away form the evening news - there is more things affronting therein than herein, and
3. Recorgnise that you asked the question in the first place - you sought opinions. To suggest you don't like what came back is pretty under-done by you in terms of appreciating the purpose and reach of a pubic enthusiast forum mate.
And so a room is not needed despite your suggestion that it is - see above commentary to Datto.
"Personal attacks" you say - none from me Slack - great care has been taken to ensure the issue is played and not the person notwithstanding substantial parts of my commentary goes to Peter Zitis' character and only because it is his character and not merely his workmanship which is under scrutiny - this is the point of this thread which to summarise; 'who can you trust to build you a M21 gearbox in Sydney?' or did you miss this? Subsequently this drew my reply and mere opinion as to why one should not entrust their hard earned to Peter Zitis. If this offends, is 'awkward' or 'out of hand' then please, disregard - you have bigger things that warrant your concern - 239 souls lost in the Southern Indian Ocean are entirely more important that what you, I or indeed anyone has to say herein.
But hey, you would be well served to revisit Simon's post (#47) as to having paid for a gearbox two years ago and being yet to receive anything - is this another example of a 'personal attack' by any chance, or would you think this outcome relevant to a member, and perhaps even yourself if you were contemplating purchasing a gearbox from Peter Zitis as it seems that you were? IMO if you answer anything but the later then I suggest you are disingenuous despite profiting from the same - your post at #29 says as much. I will say less cheekily; This the replies to your question which commenced this thread is about information and folk like myself and others exercising my/our right to free but accountable speech and our consumer rights - you courted this FFS! Peter Zitis argued the toss and bought into it as is his right to do - it is now for the populace and indeed the membership of this forum to decide who's account is most reliable and to that end it would be repugnant of me to forecast a result and so will remain silent on the subject.
I will ask Slack, should it ever occur, please remind me not to offer you my solicited opinion on a given subject again.
Cheers TB
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