_glennhailstone_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 05:11 AM
Hi everyone, I am thinking about putting a turbo on my 186 but I have no idea where to even begin, so I thought I'd start this thread, and I thought it would be quite interesting for others as well. So lets get started!
My first question is can I run triple webers with a turbo, I kind of want to stay away from feul injection but its not out of the question.
Next question, do you have to do anything to the block or head.
Photos would be great too.
Thanks all.
_Muzzy_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 07:10 AM
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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:20 AM
First question is, how much are you looking to spend?
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:47 AM
You can do what you like Glenn,
Doesn't mean, It would work will efficiently:-
1 - have 3 small turbo's, one for each Weber
2 - in the old day's, they put a decompression spacer under the head
Couldn't find any Triple's with a turbo/s, so yours would be the first, very complicated, but could look symmetrical. Dave I
_glennhailstone_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:49 AM
Well maybe injection is the way to go then, I just didnt like the idea of efi, seemed too hard.
I dont have heaps of money, just a broke ass torana owner. But I do have time. So I can do most things but not too expensive if you know what I mean.
I like the sound of vk injection, tell me more. Sounds like a wreckers might have something.
Thanks
_glennhailstone_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:54 AM
ok so what sort of compression ratio will I need because I have the block out now.
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:06 AM
Here is a lot of reading for you Glenn Mate:-
https://www.google.c...h-torana.com.au
and the Pictures to go with it:-
https://www.google.c...com.au&tbm=isch
_Lazarus_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:28 AM
Blue / Black 202 head, there's some big valve ones on ebay but the standard one would probably be ok if you don't want a monster. 202 pistons. Early steel crank if possible and Starfire rods. VK injection manifold, maybe look around for other suitable injectors, mild turbo type cam, decent brand of computer. Second hand Supra or Skyline intercooler. Second hand hi-flowed VL snail maybe. Spend most of your money on a good custom manifold and computer and you could have a pretty quick and reliable car fairly cheaply.
Or go Red head, old school turbo kit and water injection.
The first way would be my choice.
Where's Bomber ?
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Edited by Lazarus, 29 March 2014 - 10:32 AM.
Cool
Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:41 AM
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:46 AM
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:05 PM
Yes you can run the webers... all 3 of them
But you need to build them to suit turbo application
This is a weber design injection system but the basic principal of airbox etc is the same as you'd run with weber carbs
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:08 PM
Wow, Neil,
Super Turbo Administrator, was wondering about the blow through idea, well done. Dave I
That look's like it would blow the Head off
Edited by TORYPOWER, 29 March 2014 - 12:13 PM.
_stretchlc_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:09 PM
Initial outlay to set up a decent power turbo'd Holden 6 is rather large...but when put into perspective of HP v's $'s, a well set up turbocharged engine will always make more power that an N/A engine of similar dollar value per HP.
I'm wayyyyy too deep into mine to change my mind now, I dont really want to count how many $'s I've sunk into it...but I'd estimate between the $4,000-$5,000 mark from carb to sump with all the turbo bolt on's. When I finally get around to screwing the forged engine together oneday,I WILL NOT be counting the cookies it will take to get it up and running.
There's a few cast pistoned Torana's (LC and LJ's) getting about these days that reel off consistant flat 11's and 11.2 second 1/4 miles and are street driven to the track and back...I think one rather well known LJ Torana in Tassie has just cracked a 10.9 with a possible 10.6 in it.
_glennhailstone_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:11 PM
thanks for the info guys, lots to think about now.
_mervx_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:24 PM
HI, I was thinking of bolting up my turbo kit onto my lx but now I hear about the new NCOP rules. Has anyone been through this procedure yet?
Is it still do-able or too hard? I am in queensland,Brisbane area.
mervx
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 01:12 PM
Where's Bomber ?
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Bomber is staying way away from this.
No offence intended to the op, but this subject has been covered numberous times here, including a few threads on basic throw togethers for very little money, and im sick of repeating myself, and subsequently getting into the same arguements and repeating them as well.
What i will say to Glenhailstone, is buy this book.
http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/0837601606
Read it three times. Its old, and a bit outdated, but still the most relevant thing i can find.
Cheers.
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
Posted 29 March 2014 - 01:31 PM
here you go Gary:-
https://www.google.c...h-torana.com.au
oh, and welcome to the Torana site
good man DJ
_mervx_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:26 PM
thanks dave,there is a lot of reading and opinions there but I guess I will have to ring an engineer to get the facts on the legals. It looks like the fun police have taken over again!! I like to go trailriding so I am used to all the guvment rules and regs crap.As for the original topic,like Bomber suggested,a bit more information is needed before going down the major modification road.
mervx
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:34 PM
Actually the NCOP is a lot better layed out, easyer to follow and more lenient than the old QCOP.
Going by the QCOP the largest Holden six you could turbocharge or supercharge in a LC/LJ was a 161, but under NCOP you can have a 202.
Its a good easy to read document, i suggest you take the time.
I've read it twice.
Cheers.
_mervx_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:57 PM
thanks bomber,but I was told the emission control parts were a bit of a head%$@# !
Just sounds like they are trying to make it waaayy too hard and hope that we just go away.
Is there a particular chapter I should read first?
I might contact a couple of guys in my area and see what they think,as its their balls on the line. haha.
mervx
Edited by mervx, 29 March 2014 - 04:58 PM.
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 29 March 2014 - 05:02 PM
Read the first chapter first...
Funny thing about the emmissions chapter, its null and void in QLD atm due to lack of testing stations.
Dont believe what your mates at the pub tell you, read it for yourself.
I"d also recommend reading it for yourself before contacting anyone.
Few local lads still havnt caught up, one even told me to my face that "QLD has not and will never accept the NCOP" When i pointed out we have had it for over 12 months he politely informed me i best not be seeking him for future mod plates/road worthy's.
Its good to know what the rules say before talking to them, you might get the wrong clown.
Cheers.
_glennhailstone_
Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:51 AM
Hi bomber, yes I understand your reluctance as there are already threads. But trying to sort all the relevant info from the unrelated is difficult. Already this thread has strayed from my original topic. Hahaha if I didnt laugh I would have to cry. lol
Where is the best place to look at getting the parts like manifolds, exhaust to turbo adaptors and stuff.
Thanks again
_glennhailstone_
Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:58 AM
btw Bomber thanks for the info, can you name the thread with the basic set up please.
Thanks
_Viper_
Posted 30 March 2014 - 11:29 AM
Honestly the cheapest way to do it would be to grab a RB25DET front cut... can get them for around 2k and has the ecu, wiring, injection manifold, turbo manifold, turbo, turbo oil lines, turbo water lines and the motor is built for the turbo... I recently fitted one to a E36 BMW and made 340rwhp without touching the motor (just larger turbo) And you say you have the spare time so that can go into making the engine mounts, g/box mount and sump mods if your half decent with a welder and grinder
But if you prefer to keep things all holden and would like to go injection you will need:
Injection manifold (can use a VK one)
Possibly larger injectors? If you can find out what cc stock VK injectors are I can tell you how much power they will support
Second hand turbo's can be had for $200 or so... just abit of a gamble.... A GT28 would be a decent choice since it will be a pretty stock motor
Exhaust manifold will have to be custom made unless you can find a old strata kit to modify
EFI fuel pump $150
A return fuel line to the tank
ebay intercooler will do $150
Intercooler piping will need to be made
ECU, Haltech Sprint 500 is just over $1000 or a Megasquirt is $600
Will need to either lock the dizzy and use it as a trigger or its sometimes easier and always better to just set up a crank trigger, can get the parts for $150 then just need to work out how to attach it. Then could use coil packs in wasted spark
Weld a oil return line onto the sump
turbo oil and water lines $200-300
Custom dump pipe and exhaust
Not sure what stock 202 compression is, but 8:1 would be a decent aim
Pump 15psi in and it Might hold together and you might just make 200-250rwhp
_glennhailstone_
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:02 PM
Thanks for all of that clint!
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