If you don't want them, swap the control arm for one that doesn't have them and sell the arm with the block to someone who is restoring an L34 or A9X
My 2 cents
Might pay for your springs
Kings KHFL-15 fitted & now car sitting on bump stops. WTF?
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, May 05 2014 05:11 PM
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 06:14 AM
Would it be easier to chop down the lower rubber bump stop so you have some travel? Unless you plan of jooooomping it regularly?
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:30 AM
Isn't the block on the Kframe and the rubber mount on the control arm? Regardless since this has been identified as an L34/A9X mod then it will be valuable to someone else...
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:37 AM
Isn't the block on the Kframe and the rubber mount on the control arm? Regardless since this has been identified as an L34/A9X mod then it will be valuable to someone else...
Yes, block is on frame, sorry late night comment from me about swapping arm not correct.
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:41 AM
Yes Howard the steel block is on the K frame.
I have no intention of cutting it off because an L34 or A9X k frame is a valuable item to some
I'd be inclined to fit my spare UC k frame rather than modifying the one in the car
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:41 AM
You can't "like" admin or mods
We are already on pedestals and don't need the peasants acceptance of us
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:57 PM
Yes, for goodness sake don't cut the blocks off !
Like Hanra said... cut the rubber in half and see how you go with that.
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 10:32 PM
Yes folks, theres more to an L34, or A9X, than just flares, I guess that's why they are special Toranas
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 10:44 PM
I've got the answer Bruce,
If the travel is gone, the springs are too low and are no good, need to get a real pair, also you could put lowering Stub Axles while you are there. Dave I
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 12:15 PM
I would be having a good look at the whole K frame set up
Upper control arm mount points
Upper control arms
Stub axles
Steering arms
Brake calipers
You may just have the whole front end (long shot)
If you have put the lowered springs in and they are on the bump stops and it has the lowered stub axles already would that not account for it
Long shot like i said but maybe worth a look
Or should i have posted this in the conspiricy thread 
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 04:50 PM
I was told by the previous that when his uncle rebuilt this car 26 years ago you could still buy A9X front ends new, so that's what they did.
I'm not sure yet if ALL the components are A9X bits or just the k frame
Mick_in_oz , thanks for the suggestion. I have contacted Fulcrum & for $37 I can get a pair of 10 mm spacers that should get me out of trouble
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 07:15 PM
Hi, I wanted some new springs for the front of my hatch to get the front sitting down a bit.
It has an A9X k frame in it so I searched the Kings catalogue & decided that KHFL-15 should suit my needs.
I found an eBay seller doing good deals on new springs ($130 delivered) & made the purchase.
Super fast delivery, all was good - until I fitted them
The rubber bump stops on the lower control arm are now in constant contact with the steel bump stop that these k frames have - i.e. NO suspension travel.
I called Kings & was told that they've NEVER had this problem before. They were sympathetic to my situation & seemed willing to work with me on a solution, until I mentioned where I purchased them.
Anyway, has anyone struck this problem before & how have you solved it? (apart from buying more new springs)
That's sitting very low. Your fender looks to be at least an inch below the 215/65/14 tyre? (which has 25" height)
Is the car using the H series stubs or is it the torana originals?
What does the horizontal line of the lower A-arms look like especially in relationship to your rack?
Maybe a variety of front-on shots of the weight loaded kframe and arms might tell some more of the story along with the stubs.
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:28 PM
If you have put the lowered springs in and they are on the bump stops and it has the lowered stub axles already would that not account for it
The lowered stub axles will not affect the distance of the bump stops from one another, it changes the king pin height but leaves the rest of the suspension as is.
Cheers.
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:55 PM
Just get the springs reset buy king spring that what I did to mine
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 09:34 PM
Some thoughts,
Assuming the car has an A9X front end in it, it will have HQ style spindles, which are similar to a drop spindle and it will already be lower.
The thing I never liked about the drop spindle idea was that now the car will be lower but with the original amount of suspension travel meaning that now it is easier for it to be able to crash into the road surface on a large bump.
Surely this is the reason that all L34 and A9X got the blocks.
When I first put the A9X spec front end in my hatch I soon found out that the blocks were needed as it had a tendency for the sway bar U bolts to crash into the deck on a half decent bump.
Surely the car is unusably low if it is sitting on the blocks, so I think the fact that he has ordered the spacers may make things all happy again.
When you put the spaces in, its lots easier to tape the spacer to the top of the coil. The 10mm spacer does not leave much of the locating tabs available, so you will have to make sure the coil is correctly located when refitted, sounds like an obvious thing to say, but it is worth paying plenty of attention to.
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:28 PM
If it has the drop spindles wouldn't it not be easier to get the standard A9X/L34 springs and sell the ones you have just bought.
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:14 PM
The ones he has are lowered A9X springs
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:25 PM
Cut the blocks off.
Pull out the rubber bumpstops and chuck them over your shoulder.
Zip a coil off the springs with the old 5 inch and Bobs yer aunties brother.
Low looks good.
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Posted 08 May 2014 - 02:16 AM
If this doesn't have H series stubs then those springs are way too low. Of course the other question is what's going on with the geometry and bump steer.
The thing I never liked about the drop spindle idea was that now the car will be lower but with the original amount of suspension travel meaning that now it is easier for it to be able to crash into the road surface on a large bump.
Surely this is the reason that all L34 and A9X got the blocks.
The height drop on H series stubs was offset by the change from 13" to 14" wheels that where standard on the A9X and L34. Because of the added tyre std height these blocks prevented too much suspension travel that could hit the fender. You have to remember these things understeered something terrible and the turning circle was just crazy for the wheelbase. The A9X went a little way into fixing the poor basic geometry but with the limited travel available the only way to go further without a complete redesign was rock hard springs/shocks and big stabilizer bars.
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Posted 22 December 2015 - 06:32 AM
Just a quick one,
Do the Blocks measure 1" thick ?
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Posted 22 December 2015 - 06:51 PM
I can't check for you cause I sold this car earlier in the year, but from memory they'd be close to 1"
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