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#376 _Agent 34_

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 08:19 PM

Well pete the BBQ was to put some heat cycles through the rotors - but it just #@$^%& them so dont' listem to  people who don't know shit - that's my advice 

 

 

oven OK BBQ not ok.

 

 

Had to put the spare shifter in, I tried to put the speco shifter in and hi hit the floor hump and i also had to cut some of the top hump our - then i just had an old shifter there that i resorted back to - but it was not that good and then had to set up from new.

 

four hours - what a frOcking shit fight 

 

 

the old boy was not going to have the shifter modified and back to me this week so plan B needed to take shaoe.

 

another lesson i would rather not have learnt 

 

 

I would have thought that the 4 speed spec would have gone straight in with no issues to the tunnel at all - how wrong i was 

 

a deflated G 



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 10:02 PM

With the brake rotors all that I have ever done is bed them in during practice.
Fortunately we often get practice and a qualitying. At one stage I actually entered a sprint meeting just to bed some brakes and rotors.
Does Eastern Creek have any private practice sessions available.
We are fortunate that we can go to Calder and Winton for a private practice session. Also the day before the Phillip island classic has a day of private use as well.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 10:07 PM

I don't think that I would even trust an oven to get some heat cycles into a brake rotor. Most ovens go to a max of 220c and I would think that a couple of hard stabs on the brakes would get them above what you can get them to in the oven.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 11:18 AM

Just be careful if you go down the path of the speed bleeder nipples for the brakes.

Ther are two types of calipers. One has a larger hole down the bottom for the nipple to seat against and the other has a smaller hole.

Mine have the smaller hole and the speedbleeder wont fit!

I'll get my verniers out and measure the diameter of the two bleed nipples and put it here. There is 0.4mm difference in the diameter and also the standard nipple is a tapered thread and the speedbleeder is a parralel thread.

If you have got the larger ones and need the smaller ones.  I am willing to sell these to you as they are of no use to me.



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Posted 10 February 2016 - 09:44 PM

Grant...... get your self a milk crate to sit on.....AND learn to count to ten ????



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 04:57 PM

thanks Wayne for the advice, my mental breakdown has passed. 

 

OK so the car went onto the dyno yesterday and there was a few issues with the electronics dizzy and spark.

 

the ice ignition booster was failing the spark so we just went back to a direct 12 v to the dissy 

 

the dissy it seems out of sync with the cam, and we need 

 

15 standard 

30 at 3200 all up 

 

 

so the ignition needs to go to scorcher in victoria next week for attention.

 

 

NO 2 carby was not in sync with the opening ratio of the other SU's - the arms on two are the same the middle one is different off the spindle and hence the opening stages of the SU's are different - but they now are very close.

 

 

The dyno guy reccons that there is some big vibrations in the driveline but apart from the pressure plate and the tail shaft i cannot understand where it is - the tail shaft has a dent in it so this may have to be checked next week as well - another job.

 

the other theory is that the diff pinion angle is not aligned and hence this is introducing the imbalance into the driveline - the pinion angle will be set tomorrow. 

 

 

the car is now up getting the suspension set up with castor , camber and toe - the diff angle will also be set 

 

 

so tomorrow arvo we should be only left with the following items;

 

  • dissy - re graph 
  • change gearbox linkages 
  • maybe get the tailshaft checked for balance - im going to ring around tomorrow about getting this done.
  • re machine the front discs

one more mill.

 

 

PS - i have since found out that a SPECO shifter was introduced on HQ tunnels forward and hence the torana tunnel is narrower and hence the speco will not fit unless you mod the drivers side tunnel 

 

looks like im selling the speco on Fle bay next week.

 

PS also if anyone wants a full celica box and set up  for a torana - tailshaft - cross member - tailshaft then it's $750 - no movement on this.


Edited by Agent 34, 11 February 2016 - 05:03 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2016 - 05:18 PM

Try Hardy Spicer for balancing the tailshaft, they're at moorebank.

What figures did you get on the dyno, better or worse than last time?

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 06:06 PM

there was  a few things that came out of the dyno 

 

1) the other blokes dyno reads high 

2) the driveline had a imbalance - tailshaft 

3) the dizzy needed a touch up - 

 

the dyno figures were a little down but there was not much tunning time as the dizzy was out and the vibration in the driveline was excessive.- just goes to show that there is a major difference. were at 180 hp but needs a bit more after the above is sorted out.

 

don't forget that i have changed the intake runners to be longer as well - and the dyno run was on avgas, 

 

the dizzy went to scorcher in vic and came back today.- so that's done 

 

I took the tail shaft out and sent to hardy spicers and this will be back on Friday. 

 

Now the hardy spicer discussion was interesting in so far as he is saying that if i spin the engine to 6500 then i need a tailshaft of 3.5 inch in diameter - this means that you need to change to V8 ends.

 

I said there is no F inway that i am pulling out that detriot and chaning the flange to a V8- so it's a re tube balance and new solid universals..

 

 

i did let the bloke talk and waffle, but when he said that these tail shafts were not designed to spin over 5000 rpm I concluded that he was a dickhead - nut i needed the tailshaft fix so just nodded and asked what the cost to do the minimum was.

 

it's going to be busy on saturday at my place again;

 

pick up avags 

fit tail shaft 

change gear box linkages 

bleed brakes again 

fit bonnet 

pack trailer 

soft racing stuff 

 

 

 

a bit more 



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 02:39 AM

I don't see how engine speed affects tailshaft speed. If the engine is doing 6500rpm in first, then the tailshaft is spinning slower than doing 4500rpm in fourth. How does a high revving engine need a bigger tailshaft??? Harmonics???



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:00 AM

Yes but it also needs the strength not to twist when a free reving thing at the front transmits a rotational force through it to a diff and set of wheels that dont want to or resist rotation.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 06:54 PM

it seems that it's not the " RPM at the engine it's the total RPM transfered through the 1 to 1 box " @ 6800 or 7200 which in essence means that the tailshaft is rotating the same as the engine.

 

For the hardy spicers chart the section size of the tailshaft VS the end RPM in top gear determines the diameter of the pipe needed.

 

It seems or what the bloke was saying was that the tailshaft will at that high rotation not remain straight and MAY distort.

 

he did say that once the tailshaft enters this state of vibration there is a chance that the shaft then starts to bend or deflect with the vibration and then once the distortion is in the shaft then they don't come straight again.

 

 

He recommended that i dont put in " hollow universals ( grease nipple types ) but solids, the car does not do enough driving to warrant greasable nipples for serviceability.

 

 

spoke to another racer and he just changes his unis each or every 12 meetings.

 

NOW as i said these cars have been turning thoes tailshafts to 7K for a long time, it would be sensible to change to a V8 yoke set up and a new tailshaft which is thicker but i just don't hear enough about a blown uni or tail shaft out in the field.

 

 

I suppose when you look at the gear box mount in these cars and have a look at the plate that holds the gear box in place it flexes under power and deceleration, it would also when under load and when changing gear introduce a vertical movement - i think that full noise down a straight 3 - 4 th may start or at least introduce the start of the problem of the wave through the tail shaft.

 

 

I have welded old push rods up all four sides of this gearbox plate ( this is the plate that bolts to both chassis rails and holds the box up )  to stiffen up the box and reduce flex in the plate.

 

Ps i really don't know as Im no expert in driveshafts - but i do know that mine was causing some serious vibration through the car and needed to be fixed before it caused damage.

 

a thicker tailshaft makes sense to me , bigger yokes, tube and uni's = less closer to the limit of old engineering. 

 

 

Yes but it also needs the strength not to twist when a free reving thing at the front transmits a rotational force through it to a diff and set of wheels that dont want to or resist rotation.

 

peter may be able to shed some more light from his experiences  


Edited by Agent 34, 18 February 2016 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2016 - 07:44 PM

Can the tail shaft makers explain how PB flogged the fuk out them things way back when he drove them or did PB have

some sort of "i will fix it" solution to the driveline problem ?

I still think those discs need some holes in certain areas?



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 07:49 PM

PB wasnt turning it as hard way back when, and the competition wasnt as stiff. 

 

A lot of people probably will take offence to that, but its the truth, technology has changed a lot, even for our old clunkers, cam profiles and more importantly the valve spring technology that lets us run modern cam profiles we have now days Im sure the grey fox would have frOcking killed for back then, etc etc

 

Cheers. 


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Posted 19 February 2016 - 08:05 PM

Fair enough,but 200 plus bhp at whatever rpm poked through a piece of pipe into a 308 or 336 does create a bit of load,maybe that 

is why the gearbox mount is such a massive bit of gear ?  

Who knows what forces are travelling back to the diff.? probably mostly a twisting acting on rubber mounts etc.

 

We need to get a tailshaft and put it in a twisting machine to really find out how much they flex and bend....or just go split shaft with CV ?

 

No doubt a long tube will suffer more than 2 short ones ?



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 04:41 PM

We made it;

 

summary of issues;- not many this time 

 

1) dizzy came loose - the mechanic me didn't tighten up tight enough 

2) ran out of fuel last race - the mechanic me didn't fill up the car - actually had no fuel left 

3) brakes were fine but the peddle still feels like it needs to come up a bit 

4) the Rebel wheels were rubbing on the back guards and I had to take off an run the sprinties on the back which upset the handling a bit.

 

 

The biggest piss of was that i got a super duper shifter and linkages made with straight rods to the aussie box, it seems like when the builder put the shifter and linkages back together he mixed up 1& 2 with 3& 4 .

 

I just took off the shifter and linkages off the box that they were mounted on and then fitted them to my car. Didn't really test them - just got the car on the trailer and to the track.

 

So what happened was 

  • first was third 
  • second was fourth 
  • third was first 
  • fourth was second 

 

took a lap or two to get the brain working on that one - there was no way that i was going to start fixing under the car at the track at that stage.

 

motor ran well, no other issues, was consistent with the other guys running in the torana's  - well the not the top guys but the plebs.

 

Steve ( dodgy ) punched out a 1,19 which was a NC time doing  regularity.

 

car on trailer and home.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 06:05 PM

Chin up Grant..you are getting there mil by mil.

And noice time Steve.

Edited by RallyRed, 22 February 2016 - 06:06 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 07:13 PM

It was a great race meeting with the small Toranas well represented; 9 LJ's and 1 LC.

Unfortunately I didn't get to take photos other than these two. While Grant was battling with narrow rear wheels and a very unusual gear shift pattern I had my own overheating problems. 

 

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 09:03 PM

Col Simpson (in the yellow and green LJ) is a really top bloke.

Very switched on when it comes to making fiddly bits for his car.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 09:29 PM

I'll update my posting with what happened at Calder yesterday. Suffice to say that everything went reasonably well.

There were over 80 entries for the day.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:06 PM

We made it;

 

summary of issues;- not many this time 

 

1) dizzy came loose - the mechanic me didn't tighten up tight enough 

2) ran out of fuel last race - the mechanic me didn't fill up the car - actually had no fuel left 

3) brakes were fine but the peddle still feels like it needs to come up a bit 

4) the Rebel wheels were rubbing on the back guards and I had to take off an run the sprinties on the back which upset the handling a bit.

 

 

The biggest piss of was that i got a super duper shifter and linkages made with straight rods to the aussie box, it seems like when the builder put the shifter and linkages back together he mixed up 1& 2 with 3& 4 .

 

I just took off the shifter and linkages off the box that they were mounted on and then fitted them to my car. Didn't really test them - just got the car on the trailer and to the track.

 

So what happened was 

  • first was third 
  • second was fourth 
  • third was first 
  • fourth was second 

 

took a lap or two to get the brain working on that one - there was no way that i was going to start fixing under the car at the track at that stage.

 

motor ran well, no other issues, was consistent with the other guys running in the torana's  - well the not the top guys but the plebs.

 

Steve ( dodgy ) punched out a 1,19 which was a NC time doing  regularity.

 

car on trailer and home.

Sack the mechanic ???????



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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:32 PM

Ive tried - he wont go !

 

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:44 PM

In that case you may have to pay him more so that he does the job to your satisfaction. Telling people that you will pay them more always works!

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 07:24 PM

Had a pretty good weekend at wakefield;

 

dave flood - bugger racing was throwing the lj green machine round - pretty good for bloke with two knee reconstructions and a few kilo's in the beard - great to just sit around with you and talk stuff.

 

dave there's got to be a second in that beard if you shave it off - ha 

 

had a massive loose and just held on for all jesus till it all stopped and the horizon was the right way up when i opened my eyes 

 

put a hole in the petrol tank after the loose - fuel was coming out all over the place 

 

got an exhaust manifold gasket leak so this needs a new one fitted 

 

some dude in a mini hit the back of the car bumper  and dented his passenger side front guard 

 

was stoked to run into the 1.14 even though it was a 1.1495 lol

 

put the car on the trailer and came home after 6 events.

 

there were about 6 torana's racing and one in regularity - good weekend all round.

 

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Pete - the mechanic has been working on a beer payment scheme, i have said to him that there is no beer before 4.30 after that he normally goes one every 20-25mns by 5.30 hes' starting to loose it and his mind 



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 04:53 PM

Grant.. At my age seconds don't count only, days, hours and hair won't grow on top so the beard stays! I have to have something to hide behind after taking out the 50m braking marker in practice!

 

Mate I dip my lid to you to race and baby sit at the same time, would have been in the good books when you got home.

 

All the best in your prep for Bathurst.......



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 06:51 PM

good stuff Grant...I hear there is an event at Bathurst, in Dec 1 - 4 ??






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