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#1 Chriso0327

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:32 PM

Just wondering if a lj xu1 front end is different to a standard front end and if so what is the difference,
Some advice would be great
Thanx

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:37 PM

Yes  it  sure  is .

 

Reinforced  lower  control  /  suspension  arms .

 

The  K  frame  has  got  2  sets  of  holes  for  locating  the  lower  control  arms .

The  lower  set  of  holes  were  used  and  these  holes  were  stamped  out  at  the  factory  and  not  drilled.

 

Hope  this  helps.

 

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:10 PM

Aren't the additional set of holes there to lower the upper control arms.......?? ;)

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:28 PM

Brake caliper spacers on the control arms too



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:46 PM

Aren't the additional set of holes there to lower the upper control arms.......?? ;)

Yes  that,s  right  thank  you  for  picking  that  up



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:49 PM

Brake caliper spacers on the control arms too

No caliper mounting spacers on the stub axles. Only spacers fitted between the caliper halves to suit the thicker discs.



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:56 PM

Are you sure they are not stub axle spacers? 



http://www.ebay.com....76de3785&_uhb=1



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:59 PM

Are you sure they are not stub axle spacers? 



http://www.ebay.com....76de3785&_uhb=1

 

Yes they are caliper stub axle spacers but XU1's never had them.


 



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:13 PM

Didnt the xu1's run wider discs and use a spacer as standard?



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:31 PM

S pack is correct regarding the spacers

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:33 PM

So what garbage are the sellers on ebay spinning regarding their use? 



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:49 PM

Question,

 

Isn't the lower hole sets in the XU1 'K' Frame,

 

be in the same position as the Standard LC/LJ 'K' frames.

 

so the Top holes for adjustment brings the top of the wheels in closer.



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 06:22 PM

So what garbage are the sellers on ebay spinning regarding their use? 

If my memory serves me correctly those stub axle to caliper spacers were used on the HK GTS.

 

Question,

 

Isn't the lower hole sets in the XU1 'K' Frame,

 

be in the same position as the Standard LC/LJ 'K' frames.

 

so the Top holes for adjustment brings the top of the wheels in closer.

No, the upper holes in the XU1 crossmember tower are same as S, SL & GTR. The lower holes are XU1 only.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 07:10 PM

Holden caliper spacer , ie stub axle spacer P/N  is 2811049 .

 

You WON'T find this number listed in any of the LC/LJ parts catalogues .

 

You WILL find this number listed in the HT/HG parts catalogues because HT 350 GTS AND ALL HG disc brake vehicles regardless of engine displacement had increased thickness disc rotors that required the use of the 2811049 spacer .

 

There is no part number listed for the spacer that goes between the caliper halves of XU1's and the above vehicles .

 

Anyone wanting them before reproductions became available had to buy new complete calipers from Holden or get used calipers .



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 07:28 PM

Great Thank's Dave,

 

Just thought the space above the Standard 'K' Frame holes, were for the XU1.

 

 

No, the upper holes in the XU1 crossmember tower are same as S, SL & GTR. The lower holes are XU1 only.

 

So looked around and found this link from Marty's Thread:-

 

http://www.gmh-toran...e-2#entry597470


Edited by GASPOWER, 05 August 2014 - 07:29 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:44 PM

Holden caliper spacer , ie stub axle spacer P/N  is 2811049 .

 

You WON'T find this number listed in any of the LC/LJ parts catalogues .

 

You WILL find this number listed in the HT/HG parts catalogues because HT 350 GTS AND ALL HG disc brake vehicles regardless of engine displacement had increased thickness disc rotors that required the use of the 2811049 spacer .

 

There is no part number listed for the spacer that goes between the caliper halves of XU1's and the above vehicles .

 

Anyone wanting them before reproductions became available had to buy new complete calipers from Holden or get used calipers .

So when ebay sellers describe them as being caliper to stub spacers, do they mean caliper halves? 



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 11:19 PM

So when ebay sellers describe them as being caliper to stub spacers, do they mean caliper halves? 

No. Caliper to stub spacers fit where the caliper bolts onto the stub axle.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:40 AM

I know, but what im referring to is this:

These are a new pair of brake caliper to stub axle spacers, to suit the wider disc used on Torana XU1 and GTR  ran these caliper spacers as standard, in addition to other applications.

For those of you who haven’t been able to work out why you can’t fit your brake pads into the caliper, this missing spacer may be your problem. Most were thrown away or lost years ago, that’s why we reproduced them from an original spacer. These have been made in zinc seal antirust coated steel as the originals were very prone to bad rust.

You can sometimes find second hand pairs, but these are for people who prefer a nice new rust free pair, ready to use.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 06:07 AM

I know, but what im referring to is this:

These are a new pair of brake caliper to stub axle spacers, to suit the wider disc used on Torana XU1 and GTR  ran these caliper spacers as standard, in addition to other applications.

For those of you who haven’t been able to work out why you can’t fit your brake pads into the caliper, this missing spacer may be your problem. Most were thrown away or lost years ago, that’s why we reproduced them from an original spacer. These have been made in zinc seal antirust coated steel as the originals were very prone to bad rust.

You can sometimes find second hand pairs, but these are for people who prefer a nice new rust free pair, ready to use.

The caliper spacers look like this (you'll find a good photo in Torana Tough as well if you have that, in the LC XU1 section).

 

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:52 AM

I know, but what im referring to is this:

These are a new pair of brake caliper to stub axle spacers, to suit the wider disc used on Torana XU1 and GTR  ran these caliper spacers as standard, in addition to other applications.

For those of you who haven’t been able to work out why you can’t fit your brake pads into the caliper, this missing spacer may be your problem. Most were thrown away or lost years ago, that’s why we reproduced them from an original spacer. These have been made in zinc seal antirust coated steel as the originals were very prone to bad rust.

You can sometimes find second hand pairs, but these are for people who prefer a nice new rust free pair, ready to use.

Obviously the twits selling these (not applicable to Torana XU1 and most definitely not GTR) caliper to stub axle spacers haven't got a clue.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:02 PM

Chriso0327

Just wondering if a lj xu1 front end is different to a standard front end and if so what is the difference,
Some advice would be great
Thanx

 

hi mate are you talking bare k frame or complete front end???

cheers gong



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:44 PM

Complete frontend

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:45 AM

ok i think the fellers above have covered most of what you need to know

 

from the start of the CK XU1 in 1971 all xu1 front ends where the same apart from,,, bolts/nuts/springs and date codes, some had more wheel spacers then others

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they all had caliper spacers to suit the thicker discs

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they all had the 2 sets of holes even the 1970 model had these

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all XU1S from the start of the CK XU1 had the reinforcement around the bottom ball joints

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the thing that none of the xu1s had was these plate that are found on all other disc brake models

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the other changers were brackets from year to year and code color blobs that can be seen in this pic.

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here is a pic of the brackets on a 1970 lc xu1 mock up front end

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i hope i and we have helped you.

cheers gong


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:58 AM

This has to be a sticky!!


So do the two sets of holes only appear on xu1 k frames?

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:59 PM

This has to be a sticky!!
So do the two sets of holes only appear on xu1 k frames?


Yes




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