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[sibhs]

Cheers guys. I'll put that one aside and rebuild the spare, which had better gears etc. here's a pic of the two casings where the reverse gear goes through casing is different. Etch painted case is early case with two piece reverse.

[sibhs]

Not sure if they have sorted overhaul kits out these days, but year ago you were supplied with a input shaft bearing where the retainer clip was much thicker than the original. If you didn't swap it out with the original (thinner clip) you where guaranteed to crack the flange of the front cover when tensioning up the bolts.
I was one of the ones that learnt this lesson the hard way. Definitely worth checking!
 
Second box main shaft has the modified coil oil groove as seen here.
 

 
The oil groove on the main shaft was common machining modification made to the shaft when the finish in that area had deteriorated/ scoured. I think first gear runs over that area of the shaft and you will find the gear that came with this shaft has been retrofitted with a bronze bush.
It's a good thing to have if someone intends on hammering the little Aussie box.   
 

Both firsts fit the coil grooved main shaft. One gear has 489 and the other is 3489 with a added stamp of J-02. Both holden. No bushes installed.

[sibhs]

This groove isn't machined into standard shaft. Either different shaft or it's machined down and this is a sleeve????

[sibhs]

Here is an example of a worn gear and a good one. First pic the little teeth are worn and short, second pic shows them long and well shaped.

[sibhs]

Hi Grant, lay shaft is standard. 17.8mm

[sibhs]

I'm having a moment,     seriously thinking of buying the 200kw box from J&VR transmissions, sounds like a great box at a great price.

I'll be up for $1225 but at least it'll be an XU-1 ratio box with all new gear.  If any one lives near this place and has a poxy all aussie they can trade??? they want $150 if I don't exchange a box. I could pay you $75 and I save $75???

Anyway heres the info, any comments good and bad please, also please confirm the XU-1 Ratio is best for me or should I go M21??

Cheers

Marty

TORANA GTR - XU1 or  M21

6CYL 4 SPEED 200 KW RACE GEARBOX

THIS IS A FULLY RECONDITIONED UNIT 

THIS IS OUR VASTLY IMPROVED VERSION OF THE SO CALLED  'U BEAUT'  200 KW RACE BOX

 IN AN ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THE PRICES AND GIVE THE BUYER A BETTER DEAL

1. YES- IT HAS THE SPECIAL LARGE CIRCLIP MAIN SHAFT

2. YES- IT HAS THE HEAVY DUTY FORD O/SIZE LAY SHAFT

3. NO- IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SO CALLED -SPECIAL 4 WHEEL DRIVE BEARINGS-

(AS UPON INSPECTION  THEY ARE JUST DOUBLE SHIELD STANDARD C3 BEARINGS - AND THIS IS WHAT I INSTALL)

4. GEAR-WISE I SUPPLY -

NEW 1ST GEAR

NEW 2ND GEAR

NEW 3RD GEAR

NEW 4TH GEAR

NEW CLUSTER GEAR

NEW REVERSE GEAR SET

NEW 1ST/2ND SELECTION SLIDER

ALL NEW SYNCHROS

5. YES - IT DOES COME WITH THE 12 MONTHS WARRANTY

LIKE ALL RECONDITIONERS WARRANTIES THERE CAN BE NO COVER ON BROKEN GEARS

6. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN EXCHANGE UNIT A PENALTY OF $150.00  MUST BE IMPOSED

FULL PRICE ON THIS GEARBOX IS NOT $1.500.00

NOT EVEN $1.100.00

THE PRICE I REGARD AS FAIR AND REASONABLE IS

$950.00 ON EXCHANGE BASIS

SIDE BENEFITS OF THIS SALE IS THAT IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO BREAK THE GEARS, THEN LABOUR ON THE REPAIR IS FREE

YOU PAY FOR THE PARTS ONLY - FOR AN UNLIMITED TIME ON THIS OFFER

NOTE : ALL PRICES ON THESE RACE BOXES CONTINUALLY BOUGHT FROM ME CAN BE SLASHED HEAVILY

SO IF YOU ARE IN A CLUB  - SPREAD THE WORD.

 

 ALL WORK HAS BEEN DONE BY A LICENCED & QUALIFIED RECONDITIONER

REBUILDING GEARBOXES FOR 40 YEARS

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE

Edited by sibhs, 18 August 2014 - 10:13 PM.

[TerrA LX]

^ Isn't that the guy mentioned several times on the forum for 3 months turning into 2yrs and still no box, I've had a divorce, going thru issues, dog shit on the ground where he rebuilds boxes, rebuilt boxes looking like they have been dragged from under the house etc etc?

[sibhs]

I know the thread, pretty sure that's aussie four speeds or similar. This guy has 100% feedback on eBay.

[Potta]

Isn't Aussiefourspeeds the guy who kept coming into shoutbox telling us how he's back and his boxes are awesome?

[sibhs]

Don't think they're related. Just pay through eBay PayPal for guarantee.

[S pack]

Just my personal opinion Marty and you can tell me where to stick it if you wish.

$1,250.00 for a 200kw rated Aussie 4 spd box behind a mild 202?

I reckon building a box with the best parts you have on hand and possibly a ratio change to XU1 (changing to V8 M21 ratio will also require replacing 3rd gear) specs will serve you well and you'll have some coin left over.

 

Just my 5 cents.

 

Cheers

Dave.

[TerrA LX]

I know the thread, pretty sure that's aussie four speeds or similar. This guy has 100% feedback on eBay.

Correct me if  am wrong but it sounds like the same spiel to me.

[sibhs]

Hi Dave,yeah the 200kw is overkill but they don't do standard ones to get the xu1 ratio box I need, cluster, all 4 gears and overhaul kit which would be about $800, then I have to assemble. Or I use what I have, get overhaul kit and second gear for about $250 and live with the m20 ratio. I'll sleep on it.

[S pack]

Hi Dave,yeah the 200kw is overkill but they don't do standard ones to get the xu1 ratio box I need, cluster, all 4 gears and overhaul kit which would be about $800, then I have to assemble. Or I use what I have, get overhaul kit and second gear for about $250 and live with the m20 ratio. I'll sleep on it.

Marty, you can buy the repro XU1 input shafts and cluster gears on ebay.

You don't need to procure any other parts, other than a rebuild kit, unless they are stuffed.

You have an oil seal type front cover from your 3 spd box that will suit a repro XU1 input shaft so you are good to go.

[S pack]

I know the thread, pretty sure that's aussie four speeds or similar. This guy has 100% feedback on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com....sd=321489701487

[sibhs]

Hi Dave,yeah the 200kw is overkill but they don't do standard ones to get the xu1 ratio box I need, cluster, all 4 gears and overhaul kit which would be about $800, then I have to assemble. Or I use what I have, get overhaul kit and second gear for about $250 and live with the m20 ratio. I'll sleep on it.
Marty, you can buy the repro XU1 input shafts and cluster gears on ebay.
You don't need to procure any other parts, other than a rebuild kit, unless they are stuffed.
You have an oil seal type front cover from your 3 spd box that will suit a repro XU1 input shaft so you are good to go.

Let me get this right Dave. All I need to get xu1 ratios is. Xu1 cluster and input shaft and just use my m20 gears?

[S pack]

Let me get this right Dave. All I need to get xu1 ratios is. Xu1 cluster and input shaft and just use my m20 gears?

Zactly Marty. The M20 mainshaft gears are all the same for XU1.

[S pack]

Thought I'd put this up for you Marty, just in case you don't know.

Make sure your dummy layshaft for the cluster gear is a bit smaller in diameter than a proper layshaft. The reason being the layshaft hole in the front end of the box casing is made to be an interference fit on the layshaft. Never install or remove a layshaft through the front hole. Always remove and install via the rear hole. For this reason the dummy shaft needs to be able to easily slide through the front hole as you push the new layshaft in from the rear.

[sibhs]

Zactly Marty. The M20 mainshaft gears are all the same for XU1.

Great, somehow I got confused with the M21 ratios where I would need another 3rd gear as well.

 

 

Martin,
Dave is spot on, I have done the same to two gearbox.
From ebay, Xu1 input and cluster plus o'haul kit into M20 = Xu1 m20/21 ratio.
G.

Thats what I've just ordered plus a new second cause mine stuffed.

 

Thought I'd put this up for you Marty, just in case you don't know.

Make sure your dummy layshaft for the cluster gear is a bit smaller in diameter than a proper layshaft. The reason being the layshaft hole in the front end of the box casing is made to be an interference fit on the layshaft. Never install or remove a layshaft through the front hole. Always remove and install via the rear hole. For this reason the dummy shaft needs to be able to easily slide through the front hole as you push the new layshaft in from the rear.

Never new that Dave, just found a use for my lathe then. :-)

 

Just like to thank "'S' Pack" Dave for all his input, I definatley owe you a beer.

 

Cheers

Marty

[N/A-PWR]

Keep up the Great Work Marty,

 

and do the M21 Aussie Box yourself.

 

also

 

I checked the Link Dave:-

 

http://www.ebay.com....sd=321489701487

 

and thought, the Guy couldn't sweep the leaves up, at the Door Hey.

 

 

So George could be an on-seller for 'Aussie4speeds'

Edited by GASPOWER, 19 August 2014 - 01:47 PM.

[S pack]

Keep up the Great Work Marty,

 

and do the M21 Aussie Box yourself.

 

also

 

I checked the Link Dave:-

 

 

and thought, the Guy couldn't sweep the leaves up, at the Door Hey.

 

 

So George could be an on-seller for 'Aussie4speeds'

Dunno Dave, but he uses all new synchro rings. Take a look at his ad pics, the one of the open box showing all the gears installed. Check out the new synchro rings on 1st, 2nd & 3rd and the used synchro ring on 4th.

 

What some people claim they do and what they actually do are different animals.