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LX Sunbird vs LX Torana

Started by _HTPREM350_ , Aug 21 2014 06:14 PM

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#1 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:14 PM

Hey people,

Got a question if anyone can help, Ive searched for the differences between LX Sunbird and a STD LX Torana and found out that the Sunbird was the first ever Holden to have Radial tuned suspension. I also found that the Sunbird came with 4 speed floor shift with console and bucket seats, that's about all I could see.

Are there any other differences that you could tell me about please???

Now I'm talking about only LX not UC and only on the 6cyl LX Sunbird not any others, I would also like to ask about rear Radius rod position, I know that the UC has these in a different position to STD but does the LX 6cyl Sunbird have them in a different position or at a different angle.

Cheers guys

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#2 TerrA LX

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:17 PM

Simple, there are no 6cly sunturds (sunbirds).

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#3 TerrA LX

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:19 PM

All SUnbirds had 4 cly motor, the early LX with the Opal 4cly and the later LC/UC Starfire 4cly.

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#4 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:42 PM

All SUnbirds had 4 cly motor, the early LX with the Opal 4cly and the later LC/UC Starfire 4cly.

Oh Shit, I assumed that the LX Sunbirds had sixes in them because I just brought one with a 202 and 4 speed in it.

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:43 PM

*opel motors where used in early uc's, dont think any LX birds had the starfire?

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#6 TerrA LX

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:43 PM

Yes, alot of sunbirds got the 202 transplant.

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#7 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:46 PM

Yes, alot of sunbirds got the 202 transplant.

Do you mean from factory or from owers in the backyard

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#8 TerrA LX

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:47 PM

All SUnbirds had 4 cly motor, the early LX with the Opal 4cly and the later LC/UC Starfire 4cly.

Blond moment, LX opal 4cly, early UC opel 4cly and the later UC had the Starfire 4cly which carried into the commodore range.

Do you mean from factory or from owers in the backyard

backyard and mechanics etc, no Sunbird left the factory with anything else than a 4cyl, it was GHM's marketing trying to target the jap market buyers.

Tell us what engine code is on your compliance plate to confirm.

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#9 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 06:55 PM

Blond moment, LX opal 4cly, early UC opel 4cly and the later UC had the Starfire 4cly which carried into the commodore range.

backyard and mechanics etc, no Sunbird left the factory with anything else than a 4cyl, it was GHM's marketing trying to target the jap market buyers.

Tell us what engine code is on your compliance plate to confirm.

Ok will do when i get it, Any problems getting it licenced with 308, I have been told that the compliance plate actually says Torana not Sunbird so it can't really be disputed, might have to ask the WA boys if it is possible over here.

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#10 yel327

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:23 PM

As above all Sunbirds were 4cyl. The Sunbird sedan was the first to get RTS in the U size car. Technically a Sunbird isn't a Torana, it is a Holden Sunbird or GMH Sunbird. I have no idea why GMH put Torana on the ADR plate. One school of thought is the plates were partailly pre-stamped and they didn't know if they were going on a Sunbird or Torana so they put Torana on them all. They managed not to put Holden on Statesmans though, but Dandenong didn't build any of these during Torana/Sunbird timeframe so not really a good indicator. It is good though for those wanting to but bigger engines in!

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#11 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:27 PM

As above all Sunbirds were 4cyl. The Sunbird sedan was the first to get RTS in the U size car. Technically a Sunbird isn't a Torana, it is a Holden Sunbird or GMH Sunbird. I have no idea why GMH put Torana on the ADR plate. One school of thought is the plates were partailly pre-stamped and they didn't know if they were going on a Sunbird or Torana so they put Torana on them all. They managed not to put Holden on Statesmans though, but Dandenong didn't build any of these during Torana/Sunbird timeframe so not really a good indicator. It is good though for those wanting to but bigger engines in!

Lets bloody hope so, cause the Transport and licence dept over here are real tight asses we it comes to modifications especially V8's

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:45 PM

Eng. desigantion.

L16= opel

L18= starfire

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#13 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

Eng. desigantion.

L16= opel

L18= starfire

Will check it, cheers bud

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#14 _330OLX_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:21 PM

From personal experience I've found that the bush in one end of the lower rear trailing arms is a weaker bush (holes through it) in the 4cyl whereas the 6 & 8 cyl have a solid rubber bush both ends

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#15 _sstorana_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 04:12 PM

If you have an LX Sunbird, you cannot put a 6 or and eight in it unless you change the K frame to a 6 or v8 one as the engine mounts are different.

You can however us a UC Sunbird K frame as the engine mounts are the same.

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 04:16 PM

I remember in 1983, an Apprentice friend spent a said $15000 on race 253 in a Sunbird.

sounds a bit high now I think about it, but that's what he said.

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#17 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 04:56 PM

From personal experience I've found that the bush in one end of the lower rear trailing arms is a weaker bush (holes through it) in the 4cyl whereas the 6 & 8 cyl have a solid rubber bush both ends

Ok mate, i will check on that Cheers

If you have an LX Sunbird, you cannot put a 6 or and eight in it unless you change the K frame to a 6 or v8 one as the engine mounts are different.

You can however us a UC Sunbird K frame as the engine mounts are the same.

The car I bought has a 6 already in it so that means it should be all good for a 308 do you think

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#18 _LC2door4_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:36 PM

I don't reckon, not under NCOP anyway. Max engine size would be based on relevant tare vehicle weight multiple X biggest original engine capacity for your vehicle model (4 cyls diff model to 6s). I asked an engineer about this for my LC 4 cylinder. If it was a factory 6, yes, factory 4, no. Google NCOP section LA from memory to confirm. May vary according to which state you are in though. Good luck!

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:48 PM

^^I don't think that applies to an LX, it goes by the heaviest sedan in the series which will be an SLR5000. LC is a bit different as it is a different car, LX should work like a HQ. But if that is a problem pull the BODY and VIN tags off, and no-one would know what it was. Unless they really know LX's.

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#20 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:52 PM

I don't reckon, not under NCOP anyway. Max engine size would be based on relevant tare vehicle weight multiple X biggest original engine capacity for your vehicle model (4 cyls diff model to 6s). I asked an engineer about this for my LC 4 cylinder. If it was a factory 6, yes, factory 4, no. Google NCOP section LA from memory to confirm. May vary according to which state you are in though. Good luck!

Pretty sure the LX is a different senario mate, at least I hope so for my sake.

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#21 _HTPREM350_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:55 PM

^^I don't think that applies to an LX, it goes by the heaviest sedan in the series which will be an SLR5000. LC is a bit different as it is a different car, LX should work like a HQ. But if that is a problem pull the BODY and VIN tags off, and no-one would know what it was. Unless they really know LX's.

Sounds like a plan, cheers m8

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 06:31 PM

NCOP states ''all vehicles originally weighing more than 1100kg - original mass (kg) x 5.0 = max capacity in cc's''

LX Sunbird - 1161kg (says google) x 5.0 = 5805cc...

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#23 _LC2door4_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 08:15 PM

Yep I stand corrected. Agree with those calcs.

Cheers

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#24 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:13 PM

I don't reckon, not under NCOP anyway. Max engine size would be based on relevant tare vehicle weight multiple X biggest original engine capacity for your vehicle model (4 cyls diff model to 6s). I asked an engineer about this for my LC 4 cylinder. If it was a factory 6, yes, factory 4, no. Google NCOP section LA from memory to confirm. May vary according to which state you are in though. Good luck!

4 and 6 cyl LC have a different floorpan, different tar weight, etch.

Does not apply to boxy Toranas.