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Towing with Fwd
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Posted 18 September 2014 - 08:33 PM
Fair enough mate, for my particular useage in my particular region with my particular driving habits and my particular price range please recommend me a better vehicle...I'll sell my Lux tomorrow and buy whatever you suggest......
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Ha ha ha...........was not trying to razz you DJ..............but to answer you question, any Ford will do you 
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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:18 PM
I haven't checked the stats..but towing 2500kg with a 380?...sounds like pushing the limits?
Even if the Kw and Nm are good, its still a lot to put behind a normal car, let alone a FWD.
We tow a 2450kg loaded bogie van with a Prado and I reckon that's stretching it.
The van was better behind a 80 Series Landcruiser, that we sold to update.
Even if the Kw and Nm are good, its still a lot to put behind a normal car, let alone a FWD.
We tow a 2450kg loaded bogie van with a Prado and I reckon that's stretching it.
The van was better behind a 80 Series Landcruiser, that we sold to update.
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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:33 PM
Ha ha ha...........was not trying to razz you DJ..............but to answer you question, any Ford will do you
Cool mate i'll buy a Fiesta then.....Cockwit.
I sold my 80 series cruiser to buy the Hilux. The Hilux tows better.
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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:38 PM
I'd recommend a Hilux for 2300-2500kg as long as it is a V6 auto oy one of the current D4D with 5spd auto (current are 2500kg, previously 2300kg). Others rate their dual cabs higher but I reckon they are kidding at 3tonne and above. 2500kg is enough for any of these lightweight 4x4's. Saw a current BT50 at Burleigh Heads last week with a massive 5th wheeler van behind it, way too big for this class of truck. I wouldn't tow it with anything less than an F250 or C2500HD.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:02 PM
Cockwit............really DJ.Cool mate i'll buy a Fiesta then.....Cockwit.
I sold my 80 series cruiser to buy the Hilux. The Hilux tows better.
BTW I thought there was a bit of a cult following for the 80 series, apparently a tough truck. I guess the power plant thirst and power being a little old is no match for the new thrifty common rail stuff.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:40 PM
My 2wd single cab V6 petty Hilux outright tows better than my old turbo diesel 80. Not only does it have about 1000 times more power, but it sits nicer on the road and is more manageable if the trailer gets a bit out of line.
One thing i havnt tried, and hadnt tried with the 80 either is emergency braking. The Hilux brakes shit all over the old 80 series ones, but I do think that could be an issue, so I intend to fit electric brakes to my car trailer (currently cable operated brakes on the front axle only).
I have done hundreds of kilometers towing my car trailer with my Hilux, and thousands of kilometers towing other trailers with it.
As far as rolling one, you must have been doing something really stupid.
I'd love a XR6-T ute, but sadly it doesnt quiet fit all the requisites i have for my daily/tow car, whereas the Hilux does.
None of the other utes on the market come close.
The only ute on the market that would tow better is something like a F250 or Tundra, but sadly these dont fit several of my prerequisites either, so there out.
LIke i said, suggest a better vehicle for my particular usage in my particular region with my particular driving habits and my particular price range
If you dont want one, fair enough. I dont really care. If you want to wring the neck out of a Ranger or similar to do the same thing i do at 1/8th throttle, be my guest.
As far as BT50's and Rangers and the like being rated at 3500kg towing, that can go eat a frOcking dick. No way in hell.
Its much the same as a 1600kg Rangerover being rated to tow 3500kg when a 2400kg GQ Patrol is only rated to tow 2250.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:19 PM
here here Bomber.....it seems to me that some manufacturers are positioning their vehicles into the towing market, by ''rating''
them at what the market wants. Obviously they consider chassis an warranty issues as well, but some of these twin cab 4WD utes
really do bust their guts towing big loads. Know of several that have gone back to the dealer with buggered transmissions.
Funny how the ones towing the 2000kg vans etc are ok, but the ones towing the big bogie vans with a couple of slide outs etc , ar falling over.
We are also in a caravan group/club and its a clear as day...Toyota Landcruisers ( new ones) are one hell of a vehicle, but are
priced out of reach of lots of people...thus several members have recently bought Rangers and BT50s.
Yes they do tow big 3000 ++kg vans, but not like a Toyo LC does...simple as that.
them at what the market wants. Obviously they consider chassis an warranty issues as well, but some of these twin cab 4WD utes
really do bust their guts towing big loads. Know of several that have gone back to the dealer with buggered transmissions.
Funny how the ones towing the 2000kg vans etc are ok, but the ones towing the big bogie vans with a couple of slide outs etc , ar falling over.
We are also in a caravan group/club and its a clear as day...Toyota Landcruisers ( new ones) are one hell of a vehicle, but are
priced out of reach of lots of people...thus several members have recently bought Rangers and BT50s.
Yes they do tow big 3000 ++kg vans, but not like a Toyo LC does...simple as that.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:25 PM
Towed a car with the fwdtoyota camry up macqaurie pass and mt ousley and a few other places without a worry and a camping trailer a few times.
But depending on where you go with your horses you may need a 4wd to get in/out of where you are going or you may need a bit more ground clearance.
But really a FWD is fine i don't know why everyone is massivily obsessed with saying its not, you just have to drive accordingly and if you don't then something may happen but i highly doubt it.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:34 PM
And the whole loss of steering is mainly because there is to much weight on the tow ball so the trailer is not suited to the car which doesn't matter is its FWD or RWD 4WD or AWD you will still lose steering.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:47 PM
Bullshit. You NEED a certain amount of ball weight to settle most trailers.
A tyre only has traction in one direction for a given amount of downward force. If the tyres traction is used up due to the car accelerating, you cant steer. Fact.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:55 PM
"You NEED a certain amount of ball weight to settle most trailers"
No shit, and if you have to much you will lose steering. He may know this thats fine but if he already has the trailer he should be buying a car to more suit the trailer instead of having to modify things
Have a nice day you angry grub
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:59 PM
And the whole loss of steering is mainly because there is to much weight on the tow ball so the trailer is not suited to the car which doesn't matter is its FWD or RWD 4WD or AWD you will still lose steering.
Dunno mate, give me 4wd or rear wheel in that situation.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:00 PM
Dunno mate, give me 4wd or rear wheel in that situation.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:02 PM
"You NEED a certain amount of ball weight to settle most trailers"
No shit, and if you have to much you will lose steering. He may know this thats fine but if he already has the trailer he should be buying a car to more suit the trailer instead of having to modify things
Have a nice day you angry grub
Lol, wtf is your problem Hamster ?
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:04 PM
here here Bomber.....it seems to me that some manufacturers are positioning their vehicles into the towing market, by ''rating''
them at what the market wants. Obviously they consider chassis an warranty issues as well, but some of these twin cab 4WD utes
really do bust their guts towing big loads. Know of several that have gone back to the dealer with buggered transmissions.
Funny how the ones towing the 2000kg vans etc are ok, but the ones towing the big bogie vans with a couple of slide outs etc , ar falling over.
We are also in a caravan group/club and its a clear as day...Toyota Landcruisers ( new ones) are one hell of a vehicle, but are
priced out of reach of lots of people...thus several members have recently bought Rangers and BT50s.
Yes they do tow big 3000 ++kg vans, but not like a Toyo LC does...simple as that.
Col
100 and 200 series V8 Petrol 'cruisers and Lexus's aren't expensive. Immaculate 100 series with low kM are far cheaper than an overpriced Ranger. Bulletproof driveline, and if worried about fuel cost they aren't dear to convert to modern LPG system - and many have it already.
If I have to tow over 2500kg it won't be with a lightweight truck, i'll be buying an imported K2500HD! Petrol of course!
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:22 PM
Mmmm K2500HD.....
Only thing in my list that doesnt tick is it would be to frOcking hard to park at bunnings....
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:33 PM
Hamo, this is a circle of traction.
As you can see there tyre can only provide maximum traction in a single plane.
This is why when your spinning the back tyres the back of the car wants to step out.
If you loose traction on a front wheel drive car, then you will loose steering.
Due to weight transfer, that you said yourself is a requirement when towing a trailer, there will always be less weight on the front tyres.
When you factor in propelling (say accelerating up a hill) the car with a front wheel drive system, the problem is compounded.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:14 PM
I'm hearin ya Byron....but a caravan mate just ( 4 months ago) bought a new 200 Series GXL. He got it for around 90K? it think.
Its a ball teara of a thing.
But to me that is exy.
As for the yank mini trucks..I have driven one in the states , but hell..they are a 100k proposition for a new-ish one to0 aren't
they?.
p.s. -we are a long way from the FWD Kluger question....wonder if Lakeside is still listening??
p.s. if you are buying a petrol yank truck......let me know, I'd be happy to even get the petrol you spill fillin it..ha ha
Its a ball teara of a thing.
But to me that is exy.
As for the yank mini trucks..I have driven one in the states , but hell..they are a 100k proposition for a new-ish one to0 aren't
they?.
p.s. -we are a long way from the FWD Kluger question....wonder if Lakeside is still listening??
p.s. if you are buying a petrol yank truck......let me know, I'd be happy to even get the petrol you spill fillin it..ha ha
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Mates seling a petty 100 series atm with lots of good bits on it for 12.
Sure its 10 years old, but its a good rig.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 11:16 PM
Yeah I have a 100 series non turbo diesel and it tows like a champ.
If you get a TD or V8 they tow even better.
If you get a TD or V8 they tow even better.
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Posted 20 September 2014 - 06:18 AM
I have a Camry. It's the perfect vehicle for bringing home our groceries. :-)
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Kluger are not good tow vehicle we had a fleet of them, and they were towing dual trailers to remote regions in NSW, however that said, fuel consumption was terrible 20L/100 plus and a lot tail sag even thought he ball weight was within Toyota specs
The fleet has been changed over to Pajeros, rangers and a couple of hilux , all on trial so far the ranger is winning
NOTE I do not own a ranger! or work for Ford
The fleet has been changed over to Pajeros, rangers and a couple of hilux , all on trial so far the ranger is winning
NOTE I do not own a ranger! or work for Ford
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Posted 20 September 2014 - 08:38 AM
I'm hearin ya Byron....but a caravan mate just ( 4 months ago) bought a new 200 Series GXL. He got it for around 90K? it think.
Its a ball teara of a thing.
But to me that is exy.
As for the yank mini trucks..I have driven one in the states , but hell..they are a 100k proposition for a new-ish one to0 aren't
they?.
p.s. -we are a long way from the FWD Kluger question....wonder if Lakeside is still listening??
p.s. if you are buying a petrol yank truck......let me know, I'd be happy to even get the petrol you spill fillin it..ha ha
They are dear new, but becasue of the whole diesel hype BS that people get brainwashed with the petrol 100 and 200 are cheap as chips when 5-7 years old.
I looked at a 2006-7 extra cab 6.0L 4L80E K2500HD a few months ago. Very good condition and about $27-28k registered in NSW. The 6.0L is a cast iron HD version of a GenIII. If I bought it I would have fitted it with LPi injection at about $3-4k. No way in the world i'd buy a diesel version, way too dear, costs more to run than an LPi petrol V8 and cost a fortune to fix when the diesel plays up.
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