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#26 _Skapinad_

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 11:27 AM

you cant say that JP and then not elaborate !!



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 11:46 AM

Check for Melbournites with recently busted rings ?



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 12:14 PM

Forum member got screwed or was in on it?



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 12:38 PM

I understand they are changing the numbers, but where are they getting the parts from?

 

Are the cars stolen too? Maybe some lucky insurance company is going to get their cars back ....... or the owners of a few 'S' spec cars are getting back Bathurst replicas! 

 

Either way it would be good to keep track of these cars. 



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 01:14 PM

Without knowing all the facts all those involved are entitled to fair treatment while justice takes its course. There will be innocent victims and perpetrators. The courts need to decide which side of the fence those involved are on.

 

Indeed, the innocent buyers deserve to be respected as anyone; I can't say the same for the guilty.

 

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:20 PM

I guess what they do with the cars depends on the cars history and if they can trace any of their history. Might be hard if their past life was destroyed.

Looks like a pretty big operation, definitely not just a dodgy back yard job

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 07:15 PM

you cant say that JP and then not elaborate !!

 

Forum member got screwed or was in on it?

 

 

So I get a phone call from a person I know in Sydney who has an LJ XU1.  

 

He did not have a JP block in his car  (it was a QL block) and decided to buy a JP block from a person allegedly named  "name removed" (please don't name people) in Victoria a little while ago.

 

He spends alot of money on the block/engine and recently received a phone call from Victorian Police wishing to inspect the engine as there appears to be more than 1 car with the same engine number.

 

He is very upset.  Hopefully he has the original engine number/block but who knows.

 

Not good for anyone, so be very careful guys.



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 10:32 PM

This is the worst news to hear for those who have lost out. I loathe these sorts of arsewipes who pray on others misfortunes.  It makes me feel better now that I have gone away from the badged cars simply because I had too much paranoia about having them when I did.  Especially when I had two mint 5000's sitting in my shed next to each other.  A bodged up banga like mine is all I want nowadays.  Can drive it anywhere and not stress.  Just my thoughts anyway!


Edited by Redslur, 26 September 2014 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 11:30 PM

What can be said atm is very limited due to the ongoing Police investigation, and everything needs to have the prefix "allegedly".

So, allegedly, from the initial 'bust' there appears to be 3 main people involved, 2 of which, at least, are forum members, at least 1 quite well known. 1 appears to be a victim, big time, and the other allegedly is helping with enquiries. I'm certainly not naming anyone, both out of respect for the victim(s) and the alleged perpetrator(s) need to be proven as such in a court of law and have the opportunity to defend themselves, before anyone else passes judgement. So Skap, I'm definately not naming anyone. Some background knowledge, research & lateral thinking could possibly narrow the field. As Mick has indicated above, the circle of enquiries is expanding and I understand there are at least 2 people in NSW that have had requests to submit their engines for examination. It's anyone's guess atm as to how big this cesspool is going to get. A very sad state of affairs and probably a nervous and unsettling time for a few car owners. JP



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 12:07 AM

Got any more carrots m8? My horse is tired. 



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 12:28 AM

Wow shits gunna hit the fan when the names do come out

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 06:41 AM

A bodged up banga like mine is all I want nowadays.  Can drive it anywhere and not stress.

 

Don't be too confident, if you have any good panels or interchangeable parts, it'll be a target to some.  They're very easy to steal so take measures to make it difficult for a thief.

 

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 07:01 AM

so if anyone bought a Torana from Victoria over the last few years,  could be in a little trouble??   I wonder how long they have been doing this ??...   maybe some kind of engine number register might help...    might even help people find their correct motor for their car ...



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 07:08 AM

Given posts and info appearing on this site over the years I think it may be easy to narrow down who might be involved going by what jpxu1 says.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:00 AM

so if anyone bought a Torana from Victoria over the last few years,  could be in a little trouble??   I wonder how long they have been doing this ??...   maybe some kind of engine number register might help...    might even help people find their correct motor for their car ...


How long has it been going on for.........try for ever.
Rebirthing cars isn't anything new, coming from the crash repair business in the 80's you would be shocked as to what goes on.
When there money to be made people do some crazy stuff.
And unfortunately a lot of people get burnt along the way.
These guys that have recently been caught are just a drop in the ocean.
It's one of those thing that's near impossible to stamp out .

Classic cars you need to check every fine detail and then get another party to check, as most people wear rose coloured glass.
Hand over huge dollars , then whinge like shit after there mate spots a welded patch around the body number.
That leads to further investigate and they find out they have brought a fake.
Buyer beware and do your homework.
Don't get caught up in the moment, because if you do ......you're a dream customer to a rebirthing crew.

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:10 AM

Rebirthing cars isn't anything new, coming from the crash repair business in the 80's you would be shocked as to what goes on.

 

Absolutely, the cars were known as 'number jobs' and it wasn't just the badged models. I heard of one car yard that had their own legitimate panel shop to fix trade-ins; behind the scenes they accepted stolen vehicles so if you bought from this yard, you could have a rebirth.

 

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:25 AM

If someone has left a trace on this site Implicating themselves in this Crime then they are as dumb as they are stupid.

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:31 AM

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Edited by RallyRed, 27 September 2014 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 10:12 AM

Its been said before this is the whole reason we need a register for these cars

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 10:29 AM

If someone has left a trace on this site Implicating themselves in this Crime then they are as dumb as they are stupid.

 

 

Luckily this forum doesn't allow users to delete or modify their own posts

So no info can be removed (except pic remotely put up on photobucket etc)

So don't be surprised if people with badges on their sleeves start reading the forum gathering information/evidence in the near future (though we already have plenty of coppers here)



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 10:32 AM

Would all owners be willing to place their cars on a register though?



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 10:39 AM

Would all owners be willing to place their cars on a register though?


Thats the 64 million $$$ question Rob

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 10:49 AM

Would all owners be willing to place their cars on a register though?


Bet not, would love to get a accurate count of how many Ford GT's , valiant E49's, GTS ,SLR'S, GTR , brock commodore etc we're build.
And how many originals now exist , would bet the numbers don't add up.

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 10:58 AM

Having a register of Engine numbers wouldn't be a problem would it ??   IE. JP 123456 currently or last registered  in NSW,VIC. QLD. ect.      it would show any duplicating of numbers .... and help people track their lost Engine.........  maybe   :)  



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 11:06 AM

I would guarantee there are members on this site who have pretty comprehensive personally aquired registers of these cars gained through years of research.

 

Im not saying they are complete registers, but I would assume they are sizable.

 

And not for public consumption, either.






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