493 replies to this topic

[WhiteA9XS]

 a rebodied car that is correctly checked including its provenance would not get a certificate , reason for checking its history as it may have been rolled and written off as an example.

 

 I remember peter brock was looking at setting up a system as a business prior to his death to check cars with help from experts with in there vehicle type experience .

 

 if someone is dishonest and favours a mate with in the boys club and authenticates his car for what its not then that person maybe liable .

 

 a lot of work and thought would be required to put such a system in place .

[StephenSLR]

 a lot of work and thought would be required to put such a system in place .

 

Absolutely. The best I can imagine would be a system where there's a checklist and after each item is verified it's ticked off as 'consistent with original'.  A step further would be to include x-rays to verify 'no irregularity discovered'.

 

s

[WhiteA9XS]

Absolutely. The best I can imagine would be a system where there's a checklist and after each item is verified it's ticked off as 'consistent with original'.  A step further would be to include x-rays to verify 'no irregularity discovered'.

 

s

 

 True Stephen i agree , it would also need to go past the xray part with furthermore checking , as the fakers are getting smarter these days with replicating factory spot welds in areas like inner guards and number/letter stamps that match original .  

[StephenSLR]

I'd be wanting to verify this one, could be a rebirth.

 

http://www.ebay.com....=item4d24ee9772

 

s

[WhiteA9XS]

That's a bit hard,,,,,that would wipe out 90% of the Torana population.

 

 So 90% of torana owners don,t know the history or origin of there pride and joy .

 

 Shit there must be a lot of new cars on the scene !     

[8d11p]

"So 90% of torana owners don’t know the history or origin of there (sic) pride and joy.  Shit there must be a lot of new cars on the scene!"

 

You make it sound hard to believe. 

 

The first LC would be 45 years of age by now (the last LJ would be 40),  surely you don’t believe that each of those cars will be parked in a garage with every rego paper, every receipt and every bit of damage detailed as photographic evidence neatly stored in its glove-box  

 

Back in the day they were just nice cars, doubt many owners would have fast-forwarded their thoughts to today’s values, nor would many have envisaged the need to keep documentary evidence.

 

Talk of Checklists, Registers and X-rays ranks of a somewhat elitist club mentality. 

 

There are checks, balances and protection out there in that there is criminal and civil recourse. The need to getting things done like X-rays, DNA and pedigree checks, etc, can surely be left to the deal between buyer and seller, not forced upon owners by people that want to run a money making business authenticating cars (and really…if I don’t know the guy doing the authenticating what grounds would I have to trust him anyway).  

 

Sorry guys…I just see this as an overkill and knee jerk reaction to something that has not even been proven as yet. 

[8d11p]

LS1

 

How do you equate a car that has a set of matching numbers and identifiable markers to a car that the owner openly admits is a mockup?

 

That just does not make sense.

[hainzy]

Wouldn't it just come down to how you sold it?

 

For example, I have an L32 SL/R, but it has a police chassis number. It had the correct mandarin red under the crap nineties paintjob, but very little of the original interior was there, it had a non original engine, and the guy who I bought it off for $2500 about 9 years ago, didn't know much about toranas really and never mentioned SLR. So if I ever sell it, ill be selling it as a torana which is fully restored and in great condition, which appears to be an SLR but I cant guarantee it's not a rebody as I don't know how it came to have a police number.

 

I would think the best way would be to do your receipt as a bit of a disclaimer?

 

Ie.

I 'blah blah' sell this torana to joe blogs of 'blah blah'.

Then list all the details..

Then, I Joe blogs buy this torana with the understanding that it has a police chassis number and the seller 'blah blah' in no way guarantees it is an authentic SLR as it cannot be 100% verified, but I pay this price in agreeance with the seller that it is a well presented, well restored torana which matches the paint and trim details on the tag.. etc etc..

 

Just an idea, but surely something like that would be the way to go? And it would be priced accordingly.

 

That is for the cars like mine with a police number that are obviously not perfect though. Other cars which look 100% perfect and are numbers matching would be a different story and would need different wording.

Edited by hainzy, 04 October 2014 - 07:49 AM.

[8d11p]

LS1

 

Those levels of authenticity already exist, that is why there is such a spread in the prices that are paid.  

 

There is really no need to add a further level of bureaucracy to what the free market already does.  

 

And applying labels such as you suggest is forcing car show competition rules to those that have not wish to be there.

[RallyRed]

I'm pretty relaxed about all this.......

wind the clock back a few weeks, and buyers of Toranas ( i.e. US )
found a car we liked, did some due diligence ( often with help of some known good guys on here)
bought the car / rejected the car


Nothing has changed.

[WhiteA9XS]

 It took me years to find all 5 previous owners of one of my xu1,s , our government was a great help with its privacy laws ! lol

 

 It was like detective work , each owner who I eventually tracked down through white pages and google searches , such and such had the mechanic shop in Gladesville , so I,d ring every mechanical shop in Gladesville, etc .

 

I found this a very enjoyable and interesting part of owning my car , there was a little story with every previous owner , how one owner had imported a special fan belt from the states as the aussie ones kept coming off .

 

All this information and previous photo,s etc are on file and are part of the car , added value and homework completed . 

 

However maybe we are all different humans  , I don,t care about the little black clip that should be green and the concourse side of the car , as long as the car looks good and is mechanically perfect.

[StephenSLR]

Talk of Checklists, Registers and X-rays ranks of a somewhat elitist club mentality. 

 

Perhaps it is in a way but if you go to an auction there are pieces of memorabilia that come with a Certificate of Authenticity, there are of course those without but are very distinguishable. It'd be your choice if you wanted to sell with a CoA.

 

The need to getting things done like X-rays, DNA and pedigree checks, etc, can surely be left to the deal between buyer and seller,

 

Absolutely but as yet, is there somewhere you can take your Torana to get all these checks done to prove what it is?

 

Plenty of dudes with SL/R mockups refer their car as the SLR (and rightfully so IMO). 

 

I disagree, they're clones or tributes.

I have a 5 litre in my SL/R and a friend of mine keeps calling it an SL/R 5000 which annoys the hell out of me.

I will never call it that, it's an SL/R and nothing more.

 

s

Edited by StephenSLR, 04 October 2014 - 10:10 AM.