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#1 jd lj

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 04:10 PM

I'm considering putting a glass bowl fuel pump back on my car just so it looks the way it should.
However these are no longer available new and most places don't have the rebuild kits anymore either as Goss has stopped making them.
I have located a supplier of the rebuild kits for the original AC DELCO pumps, but these kits are quite expensive. When I looked on ebay there's plenty of AC DELCO kits available for various models and decades which are about half the price of the type for our 202 's.
So what I want to know is if anyone knows whether any of the other kits are compatible with the pumps we're using, they appear to be very similar.

Are we just paying a premium price because they are being sold to suit a Torana?

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 04:22 PM

Had a look on eBay the AC delco kit sure as looks like the one to suit the holden pump, the difference being cork bowl gasket is now rubber

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 06:55 PM

Hi James

 

I think its more the fact that Goss no longer make the rebuild kit for them that has pushed the price up.

 

Just keep looking, not so much EBay tho.

 

I only picked up a genuine AC delco rebuild kit including the glass bowl for one of these on Gum Tree about 2 months ago for $50, so they are out there at reasonable prices.

It maybe more being in the right spot at the right time.

 

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 09:12 PM

This bloke does a really good overhaul kit AND its ethanol proof.

  Top dollar @ $112, but if you want insurance against ethanol eating the old style rubber diaphragms, its the way to go.

          regards,Rod.

 

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 06:03 PM

Ok, I've done a bit more research on the matter.
Apparently when GOSS stopped making the rebuild kits the rest of the stock was bought up by a few people and the price went through the roof as they are holding us all to ransom.

The kits that are available seem to be more comprehensive than the kits available for other models, so I guess that helps justify the price slightly.

Is the top clamping part meant to be gold zinc plated?

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:14 PM

Do you want a nos one?

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:16 PM

There used to be another brand called Fuelmiser... but they are gone now too



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:27 PM

whats the difference with this model pump:-

 

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http://www.classicpa...2/#.VGM07TSUeSo

 

Looks so close to a Holden red 6 one, I recon we could use it.



at $US64.95, be worth a try



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:46 PM

I just measured the Chevy 292 Cam fuel pump lobe, and compared it to the Holden red 6 one,

 

almost an identical match, even the bolt hole spacing is the same.



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 12:25 AM

Fuel inlet and outlet wrong position

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 04:24 AM

Fuel inlet and outlet wrong position


There's probably no reason why you couldn't unscrew the top and rotate it 180 degrees or whatever is needed.

Dave, I'm not looking for a nos pump as I've seen a few sell for ridiculous prices lately and for that sort of money I could rebuild a couple even with the over priced kits. Even if you did buy a nos pump it would still probably need a kit put through it to be compatible with modern fuel types.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 07:58 AM

There's probably no reason why you couldn't unscrew the top and rotate it 180 degrees or whatever is needed.

Dave, I'm not looking for a nos pump as I've seen a few sell for ridiculous prices lately and for that sort of money I could rebuild a couple even with the over priced kits. Even if you did buy a nos pump it would still probably need a kit put through it to be compatible with modern fuel types.

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The top of the pump can be installed so the fuel inlet and outlet are in any location you want.

AFAIK the bowl hold down clamp should be gold zinc.

No changes to the pump are necessary to use unleaded fuels, don't know about ethanol though..



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 08:09 AM

Thanks Dave.

I also heard a rumour that you can fit the top of the glass bowl pump on the top of the commodore type pump. The guy who told me this said he hasn't tried it himself but was told it can be done. I didn't have a spare one here to try, so it's yet to be proven.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 08:49 AM

If they can be rotated then I will have a spare for you James.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 11:27 AM

Thanks Marty, I'll talk with you soon.

I just had a look at some pictures of the commodore type pump and I think there's potential to the glass bowl on top of one. That could be cheaper than a rebuild kit if it works.
Has anyone got a few spare pumps they could try this with?

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 04:11 PM

Hey Guy's,

 

Found this Site, where the rebuild kit includes the Chevy 292, and the Holden 202, just for reference,

 

also I read in another forum, that the bowl part is interchangeable with other lower pump bodies,

 

so we could add a bowl to a non-bowl pump say.  :spoton:

 

 

Looks like us in the know, don't have to pay through the nose after all.



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Posted 17 November 2014 - 04:35 PM

$139.95 New Glass Bowl Pump that will fit:-

 

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http://www.ebay.com....=item3cbb2bbcf2

 

and the Link for the rebuild kit here.



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Posted 17 November 2014 - 05:08 PM

Good work Dave, pity kits are out of stock. :-(

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Posted 17 November 2014 - 05:14 PM

Thanks for sharing that Dave.

Unfortunately the rebuild kit says it's out of stock, it might be worth giving them a call though.

I've noticed that some of the rebuild kits don't include the oil seal which probably makes these kits a waste of time.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 07:49 PM

I called Classic Carbs and the rebuild kits are now back in stock.

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 03:39 PM

The main body of the pump appears to have once had a gold finish to it that wears away over the years. Would this be gold zinc? Can you zinc plate cast alloy?

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:01 PM

http://www.thecarbur...torfinishes.htm



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 07:26 PM

Has anyone with experience got any tips on removing the valves from the top cover and refitting them. I just thought I'd ask before I hack into them.

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 07:36 PM

I think I remember them just sitting there, and place the valves opposite ways to each other.



Has anyone with experience got any tips on removing the valves from the top cover and refitting them. I just thought I'd ask before I hack into them.

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 07:54 PM

Got that wrong,

 

here is the inside of the Fuel Pump body, and these Valves didn't move to come out from there hey:-

 

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EDIT:-

 

Found this link for a rebuild, which shows using a hammer and dolly ( punch ).

 

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http://tech.corvette...l-pump-rebuild/


Edited by NA-PWR, 26 November 2014 - 08:05 PM.





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