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#351 _livo74_

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:50 PM

howdy eunuch,

 

"You can block off #4 take off in the 1 & 4 runners."

 

that i don't understand, sorry!  

block off No4 in my pic.. i was planning on doing

 but, "in the 1&4 runners"..? what are "runners"?

 

and again, "In the 6 & 7 runners"

?

have i numbered these?

 

and, already been alerted to

..what i've been calling the "upright tree", behind carb... that i send big one to booster, and other to auto,

and block off the third (that can be used for air con at later date.)

 

 

and previously informed

"The "CARB" port on the charcoal canister should be blocked off, the "TANK" port connects to the steel line running back to the tank, the third port (whatever it's called) needs a vacuum supply off the manifold."
 
so am all good there.  
as for "the PURGE line might work directly to full vac", am buying a single fat port/"tree" and will take out one of my bungs to fit it.
 
as you said, can only try :spoton:


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:10 PM

Another quickie job clean speedo cable,pop her into large hole in auto on drivers side..there will be small tab & bolt that holds it in.

 

Other one grab your cast iron headers,give flange side quick flat file...to check they're not warped & stops tick tick exhaust leak sound lol



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:21 PM

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heya gtr

is that orange thing and cable shown in this pic my speedo cable? have been thinking probably is.??

if is, will do :spoton:

small tab and bolt, will look and see:)

 

and, as for headers, am planning to buy extractors, so ???gather not needed.. as was just going to test fire engine and attach some pipes or something like you said  to send heat further/away, till i get them

 

was thinking about these, as read here that can be a bitch to fit,, so ....guessed... these may make job a little easier

?

 

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http://www.ebay.com....=item33bcf4d4a5

 

or maybe in two sections makes them harder. no idea, again.

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but also liked that these were longer, as i plan to make my own exhaust setup.

yes, you heard that right! should be interesting

 

 

 

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or

 

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and the cheat part..

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(picture... frankenstein's monster haha)

 

if cant find the balls may just ask this mob how much for a 2inch setup of these, and just cut and attach flange for extractors

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http://www.ebay.com....UAAAOSwNuxXcGdl


Edited by livo74, 02 March 2017 - 08:37 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:21 PM

Don't worry about the whole "runners" thing, EunUCh was just talking about the parts of the manifold that 'run' from the carby to each of the cylinders, number 1 runner feeds number 1 cylinder and so on.

 

Bloody hell... "PURGE" is the name I've been trying to think of... duh

 

Yeah I know the later model charcoal canisters were 'controlled' so to speak, they had a fourth (smaller) vacuum fitting that opened and closed the "PURGE" port, that is what one of those thermo-valve things in the front of the manifold was used for, but I reckon it will be alright connected to straight vacuum?

 

It will be easy to tell once the engine is running anyway, just crimp the hose and see if makes any difference?



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:36 PM

Yep red gear on end lol

 

While there look inside hole find out what colour plastic gear is inside..will work out gear combo so speedo is correct.

 

Personally on stock 253 I'd use those cast headers & cobble up own exhaust from scraps to make it run....spend the $500 elsewhere for now.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:45 PM

quick question..

down the track, can i just buy a lumpy cam,

..and they just slide in/out, without dismantling engine? (just remove radiator and grill etc)



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:56 PM

purge, haha!

 

"connected to straight vacuum"

 

so you are not talking about the thermo port vacuums?

what's a straight vacuum andrew?

 

hmm, maybe i get it. 

is number 4 on my pic a straight vacuum, as in just a hole to inside manifold,

..whereas front "thermos" aren't?

thermo's not a "straight thru/hole"

 

regardless..

if want, i can just re-put one of my thermo's back on, 

block off all but one port, and plug in there.

 

as eunuch said.. can only try!

 

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and gtr... yes, i said that orange thing lol

 

will check color, cheers!

 

and will cobble indeed for now;)

but.. later... 3 inch extractors!!!

(just kidding 2 inch setup)



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:57 PM

Cam swap is bit more involved than that but not hardest job to do,problem is these need lot more compression to make most of mods of even basic mods.

 

TBH once you've got that 253 tuned & running as best you can you'll instantly want a 308 or efi 5l conversion...engine you got mow is great to learn on & register it with,partly why keep saying 'cheap or freebie parts only'


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:57 PM

quick question..

down the track, can i just buy a lumpy cam,

..and they just slide in/out, without dismantling engine? (just remove radiator and grill etc)

 

Not really, you have to change the cam and all 16 hydraulic lifters as a set (and you'd be silly not to do the timing chain while you're at it).

 

So you would need to remove the rocker covers, all the rockers and pushrods, the inlet manifold, the lifters, the radiator, water pump, harmonic balancer and timing cover.

 

Technically you're suppose to remove the sump before the timing cover but it can be done with the sump in place... it's a prick of a job but it can be done.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:10 PM

so you are not talking about the thermo port vacuums?

what's a straight vacuum andrew?

 

Yes, when I say straight vacuum, I mean connected directly to the manifold.

 

Those thermo switch things don't have vacuum by themselves, it's similar to a typical electrical switch, you have to supply vacuum to the switch, and it then allows vacuum to one of the other ports depending on the temperature of the coolant.

 

It's hardly worth worrying about now but in the later models, the vacuum switch stopped the petrol fumes being sucked into the engine from the charcoal canister until the engine had warmed up, again it was more of an emissions thing than anything else, they needed higher exhaust temperatures to burn off all the naughty ozone gobbling, polar bear melting gases.



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:29 PM

gtr, have heard people say that about a 308.

thing is, i only really want sound. don't care if a bit of a slug, just want lumpy ..for aural fun

 

 (although haven't drivin yet,. sooo, a guess only right now that i will be happy with it)

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but is No4 (the on top of manifold,  "vacuum nozzle/point", just behind thermostat housing) a "straight thru", ?

point is.. i'm gonna test/try running from canister purge to... well, will try both no4 if is,

 and a front thermo with other extra ports blocked off.

will see result soon hopefully!

 

oh, and andrew... hmmm, cam not quite as easy a process as i'd hoped hahaha!!


Edited by livo74, 02 March 2017 - 09:30 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:37 PM

Hell yeah, you gotta have some oral fun every now and then!

 

Oh sorry, you said aural... yeah okay, that too! :)



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:48 PM

:o

 

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:53 PM

Just wait till we get to the EGR set up with its thermo. timing thingy control :)

Yeah , block off #4 in your picture.

Frok off all the shit that is not needed to make an engine run without  a minimum of fuss and pollution :)

 

edit, this will include running a second rocker cover with some sort of "vent" that breaths through the base of the air filter and is connected to PCV as a "draw through" system to consume fumes from crankcase.


Edited by EunUCh, 02 March 2017 - 09:59 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 06:59 AM

Been watching this thread for a while Mat. I hope you're enjoying the process, I know you are learning heaps, as I have done also. Keep going with the budget build to get it running however you can. Rego will be easier with minimal deviation from stock.

After it is running you can decide what you want to change. A lot of upgrades can be done while the car is still on the road. EG Motor and drive line. Save up, build up the new combination and then swap them over. The knowledge and experience you gain now will be invaluable. Well done so far!



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 07:50 AM

This car still gets my vote for best rear wheel arch / rear door cut (for a sedan) too!

 

I bet that seems like a thousand years ago now Mat?

 

 

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:12 PM

was made aware of that, eunuch:)

still dirty on it too... as all the pics of torana engines i research only have the one pcv hose!

..maybe because they thought out the carby's.. before buying?  :unsure:

 

 "timing thingy control"

i see my spot on, scientific lingo is not wasted haha!



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:17 PM

thanks steve! will say this..

any SECOND car i may one day restore will be now ...sooooooooooooo much easier, than the first!!

 

and drive line and engine some other day, just as you recommend



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:29 PM

sooooo long ago!

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and yet my just over two years is nothing compared to some others here. mine can.. in a number of ways.. be considered rushed!

 

...i may of even posted "6 months to a year" as my aim

:fool:

 

and, much appreciated andrew! although ineligible for voting till passes RWC hahaha!!!!!!

my psycho aggressive cutting to hide arch still has to pass muster (please dear god, let it!)

 

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(not that i like talking about it. 

 

am not.. too sure..,

but may of got just the teensiest bit upset when some bugger* showed pics on my thread of his friggin immaculate arch panel and welding skills,

after i'd shared how i was so good at accidentally using a welder as a plasma cutter more often than not.

 

most fortunately,

i don't think anyone noticed at all hahaha! :innocent: )

 

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*he didn't do anything wrong.  was.. more me having a bad day, i suspect. 

don't care to rehash further so will shut up.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:33 PM

new bits! $30 well spent.. hopefully!

(going to repco and saying... yeah... about that ish diameter;)

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note, the full vac nozzle and bung for canister "purge"


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:48 PM

oh, and gtr...

Re: 'cheap or freebie parts only'..

 

went "cheap"

 

ever run just a hose from the trimatic to the upright manifold tree because you cant be bothered chasing up the proper metal pipe..?

 

i have!



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 04:17 PM

What's with the "Reducing Bush"?

 

Surely that's not needed for your #4 vacuum fitting (the one up on top of the manifold)?



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 05:12 PM

you used 'surely not"...

..in THIS thread..??!..

 

surely not!?

hahaha

 

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and to answer the question... it COULD be, but wasn't specifically.

went in for rubber hose, saw that they had the bung and reducing bush for $4 each.  thought, can't go wrong trying?! surely not.

 

Re: "purge"

i asked a zillion times trying to get my head around it.. 

full vac, thermal vac, #4 vac...

 

obviously, i didn't do a great job at that, aye!

 

so, saw those for two parts cheap as and...

was... planning to take out one of front manifold bungs put them in, and run the hose to  "purge"

 

..and if that wasn't right

(as #4 is far smaller nozzle than the "purge" outlet) thought could replace with these to keep same diameter hose to "purge"

 

????aaargh!



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 05:27 PM

That's what I was saying before about those thermo-valve things not having vacuum.

 

Those three larger bungs that screw into the front of the manifold from the front (including the temperature sensor) go into the coolant passage, if you were to use that reducer in one of those it would pump coolant into the charcoal canister... which would not be good!

 

You should only need the ΒΌ" barb fitting to replace your #4 fitting, the one that screws into the top of the manifold.



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 05:49 PM

so... NOT in the front, aye?

 

hahaha!

um, oops.

 

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and, glad only $8 total.

kinda was looking at the wrong pipe.  "purge" outlet is only bit bigger diameter than #4

still might use the 1/4 barb fitting

 

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stuff have scrounged together over last 2 years.

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am... hoping that i made a mistake in saying that "the dizzy in car is NOT what i am using"

cus the one in pic is snapped, and is the old "points" one, i think

 

hoping the one in car is the electronic dizzy.. that i bought the rotor for.






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