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#401 Bigfella237

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:28 PM

~ looks like once the "lower" bit that is broken is taken off the dizzy it might reveal that the dizzy will take a standard cap and rotor ? ~

 

Yep they will, the bottom half even clips on with the same standard clips that secure a 'normal' cap.

 

As mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure those bigger two-piece caps hit the firewall in a Torrie? And I think there was a smaller ford high energy cap (with the male terminals) that fits, just can't remember the specifics?

 

15 - AIR CON
 
wasn't planning to worry about till far later date! have enough on plate, maybe ;)
 
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I forgot to mention that air con setup, yeah I can see about a dozen things that are missing straight away so a lot of work involved in getting that up 'n running!

 

Probably best to leave that in the shed for now?



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:08 PM

"a dozen things that are missing straight away"..
 
in shed it goes! gladly... later
 
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much appreciated info on dizzy fellas!
 
hoping this helps 
 
if the cap fits...
which it DOES, perfectly! (cap from old dizzy on car)
 
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the old rotor doesn't fit.. because too LONG (but has right size hole, of course)
nor the new one i bought, because hole too small
nor the one on old dizzy, agin hole too small to mount
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wear it..?? (with the changes you mentioned, andrew ..??)

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:15 PM

now, the other mischief i have been up to

 

so.. i jacked up car to check color of drive gear (inside the trans)

and... i couldn't fkn find it. classy!

 

found all these things i don't know the name of..

 

and, if anyone can point out the trans drive gear place that would be tops! haha

 

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1. trans modulator line

2.

3.

4.

5.

6. selector

 

in the words of meatloaf..

2 out of 6 ain't bad



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:17 PM

and wasn't expecting to see this..

hope you guys were!

 

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won't be slipping a yoke in there any time soon! what the hells that doing there?

 

and, this is the rear

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:04 PM

There is one coloured gear on the end of the speedo cable and another one inside the transmission extension housing where the cable plugs in.

 

You should be able to see the colour of the inside gear through the hole with a torch.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited by Lazarus, 04 March 2017 - 08:06 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

& 4 is the modulator by memory, haven't seen a trimatic up close for a long time.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:57 PM

1. Trans oil line to radiator/cooler

2. Kickdown switch

3.Trans oil line return from radiator/cooler

4. Vacuum modulator

5. Reverse switch

6. Selector shaft.

 

 Good luck!



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:11 PM

There is one coloured gear on the end of the speedo cable and another one inside the transmission extension housing where the cable plugs in.

 

You should be able to see the colour of the inside gear through the hole with a torch.

 

 

 

 

 

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couldn't find the hole even! not a good start



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:13 PM

cheers gary, and lemon!

 

oops, trans oil line is #1, NOT modulator

(hmm, where to attach the hose??)

 

i need so much luck it's not funny lemon.

hand some over if have any spare too, k ;)


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:15 PM

looks like someone has slipped a slip yoke up the rear ext. housing minus the tail shaft ...always a good idea to block off areas that could

let moisture/dust etc. into the trans.

 

Going on the picture  ...# 2 will be what they call the " high speed kick down"....this was a solenoid that was activated either by a switch on the throttle lever on the carb. , ...or in the case of LX auto  (as far as i know?) was activated by a switch on the go pedal ? , it only works when you stomp on it given a certain speed was sensed in conjunction with what the vac. modulator/governor  was doing in regards to road speed to kick back a gear given preset  conditions in trans. ?

 

#4 is the vac. modulator , it has a  place where a tube is fitted from full vac. from the intake manifold.

# 5 looks like it might be a switch to turn the reverse indicators on when needed.

 

336 rear ratio should be ok on those specs. ..never really checked it out but even in the wet with 205/60 14 yoky 509's  with lsd it was still a little hard to stomp it and get things going without a bit of a roll and then tweak things in the front end to make the back end make it do.  :)



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:20 PM

cheers eunuch, much concurring with lemon :)

 

and, so if i yank on that yoke it should slip out?

sounds very good that they left it in there to stop dust and crap



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:37 PM

Yes you can just slip that yoke out but be prepared for a trans fluid shower if it still has oil in it.

 

BTW, that's a V8 slip yoke, notice how much wider the uni joint is than the 6 cylinder tailshaft you pictured earlier?

 

Also, it's bloody hard to see from this photo...

 

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...but I think I can see the bolt and tab thingy holding in the cutoff end of an old speedo cable (which would explain why you can't find the hole)?

 

Also, your throttle pedal should have one of these sliding kickdown switches on it...

 

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...if not you may have to try and find a pedal from an auto Torana?

 

Don't ask me whether your manual wiring loom would have the required connectors though?



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:38 PM

You won't have to yank it mate, just pull on it. Put a bit of rubber grease on the slip yoke where it goes into the seal when you fit the tail shaft & don't force it in. In the middle of the vacuum modulator you should see a little pipe coming out of it & that's what you put the vacuum line from the tee onto. External switches, solenoids & the modulator i would personally replace as you assemble the car. Quite often they're pretty ordinary from the conditions, Gary.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:02 PM

thanks andrew , "slip that yoke out"

can do.. when i have a v8 tail shaft by the sounds of it. darn it.

 

"but I think I can see the bolt and tab thingy holding in the cutoff end of an old speedo cable (which would explain why you can't find the hole)?"

excellent, wondering where that sucker was.  

um, not fun accessing it?

 

and...  i don't think my acc pedal looks like that. expect not. will look tomorrow.

 

..auto torana pedal hunting needed also seems

cheers.. for adding another two things to list to buy.. in just one post! haha

 

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thanks gary, yoke n grease..

will do .. seems when have a tailshaft that is made for v8. again, darn it!

 

 

"In the middle of the vacuum modulator you should see a little pipe coming out of it & that's what you put the vacuum line from the tee onto"

 

on the rear of it, in pic?

thanks! will have a closer look (not that access/working conditions are great)

 

 

and, will plan to replace all externals stuff, but later date and as i go, money issue as standard. (not the proper way to go about, i know.)



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:19 PM

The 6 cylinder tailshaft will physically connect to both the transmission and the diff you have, but it will likely be too short (I think it's that way around)?

 

If you find a V8 tailshaft, it will also fit the transmission and it will be the correct length, but it won't fit the 6 cylinder diff yoke.



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:35 PM

Bypass fuel tank,just use your lawnmower jerry can with hose in it...save yourself the headache.

 

Add banjo 6cyl tailshaft u bolts to WTB ad

 

Use wd40 & fine wed/dry sandpaper give slip yoke a good linish...leave that chopped yoke in there,keep auto sealed.

Use that tailshaft,be fine for normal usage.

 

Green arrow is speedo hole,probably still bolted in & they cut cable...unbolt...clean yours up & bolt it up,make sure write down gear colours.

 

Looks like lemonaro labelled correctly.

 

Should be nozzle in middle of modulator hose will slip onto.

 

Flip starter on end as in nose up take pic so can see what starter bolts needed...early ones take 1 short 1 long later have 2 even length bolts

 

Think you need to pick a section say engine or auto then 1 or 2 tasks of each as listings 20 tasks/items at once will do your head in...


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:14 AM

Had a quick read throught the last 2 pages.

 

If it hasnt been mentioned, get your fuel line off your top radiator hose.

It will likely cause you fuel vaporisation problems.

Also increased temp in the fuel will decrease performance somewhat.



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:08 AM

"The 6 cylinder tailshaft will physically connect to both the transmission and the diff you have, but it will likely be too short (I think it's that way around)?
If you find a V8 tailshaft, it will also fit the transmission and it will be the correct length, but it won't fit the 6 cylinder diff yoke."
 
well thats just depressing andrew!
 
will check length.
 
"add banjo 6cyl tailshaft u bolts to WTB ad"..
now that's more optimistic gtr!
 
will check length and hope, and
 
wtb ad is going to take up 3 pages only. only
haha ;)
 
will follow directions, and as for "leave that chopped yoke in there,keep auto sealed."
but, take it you mean leave in UNTIL have rectified and ready to put in my tailshaft.
 
re: speedo drive, andrews nice green arrow work it is, then.
 
and will see if can get the hose on modulator
 
"Flip starter on end as in nose up take pic so can see what starter bolts needed...early ones take 1 short 1 long later have 2 even length bolts"
 
bought the bolts kit, it is the longer and shorter for my old model starter
(and i like grump's suggestion for future.. "the vs v8 starter is very easy to fit in with extractors anyway so that would be what I'd use when you need to replace it. ")
 
and...
you're on the money.
 
nearly posted last night "thanks for help EVERYONE, but i'm off to have a mental breakdown and will be up and posting again in a month or two"
 
engine, will start with engine, and almost not look anywhere else basically.
 
but.. as not even a selector rod and plate to my tbar...
should i take a spanner to my selector and put in neautral/park etc ..if dont get selector rod and plate before firing up engine?
or doesnt it mater as not connected to diff as yet?
 
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and cheers rob for good point about fuel line on radiator hose, not optimum at all,
will space :) 


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:36 AM

Mat,  reading this thread with a lot of interest as I have less knowledge than you and to me, you are asking all the right questions (at least to help me as well).

 

I have an accelerator pedal kickdown switch somewhere and also a tailshaft out of my LX Torana which was with a 253 so may suit.  I'm happy for you to have them but I won't be in a position to look for them for a couple of weeks, if that suits. BTW I am just going through all the vac line routing issues with a WW Stromberg in a WB ute with 253. Cheers Ron



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:49 AM

should i take a spanner to my selector and put in neautral/park etc ..if dont get selector rod and plate before firing up engine?

or doesnt it mater as not connected to diff as yet?

 

Just a quick one, when you find the "Park" position it will lock the slip yoke (in other words stop the tailshaft from turning), in any other selector position you will be able to turn the yoke.

 

And yes, it would be a good idea to select "Park" before starting the engine, just so that slip yoke doesn't spin (and possibly fling itself out of the trans).


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:00 AM

cheers on how to find park, andrew! 

and wondered if good idea to not have gear engaged,.. as most of my car is ..unknowns.

 

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and the good news

i fitted my (tested and working) starter moter :)

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and i gather these are the u bolts i may need

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and one of these whilst i'm at it

?? 

because it shattered into pieces when fell on ground whilst testing length

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not that i as yet understand how you remove and replace!

 

 

anyways...

anyone else running a tailshaft that fits,,,

but is almost 2 inch's shorter than perfect length!

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darn it.

 

here's the odd part.. i could post 5 times how people in threads doing 6 to 8 conversion said shaft will be fine/or HAVE done it.

did they just forget to mention that there's is 2 inches short and not tell anyone??

(some did say "might of/have to" changed yoke or uni.. but NOT all.)

 

anyone got a yoke 2 inches longer i can chuck on hahaha

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:17 AM

Yeah I figured that would be the case, a 6 cylinder engine is longer than a V8 and so sits further back, therefore has a shorter tailshaft.

 

You'll probably find the gearshift selector rod is the same (a V8 rod will be longer than a 6).

 

I would definitely hold-off buying those 6 cylinder uni-joints and U-bolts too until you know which way you're going with the tailshaft, if you end up using a V8 tailshaft you'll have to change the diff yoke to a V8 type and the 6 cylinder uni and U-bolts will be useless to you.



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:17 AM

Mat I have just fired up my 253 after fitting it into WB (been sitting around for 3 years) and I did it before fitting the tailshaft so I didn't have to worry about it taking off.  Cheers Ron



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:25 AM

You will need an inspection cover fitted to your bellhousing too for rego...

 

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...which needs to be fitted before the starter motor (and is much easier to fit before the extractors too).

 

BTW, is the torque converter actually bolted to the flex plate? It looks like it's not sitting all the way forward?



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:26 AM

Yeah I figured that would be the case, a 6 cylinder engine is longer than a V8 and so sits further back, therefore has a shorter tailshaft.

 

You'll probably find the gearshift selector rod is the same (a V8 rod will be longer than a 6).

 

I would definitely hold-off buying those 6 cylinder uni-joints and U-bolts too until you know which way you're going with the tailshaft, if you end up using a V8 tailshaft you'll have to change the diff yoke to a V8 type and the 6 cylinder uni and U-bolts will be useless to you.

are there longer jokes? googling them they appear to be specialist jobs

 

in this pic the EJ/H appears to be the perfect length,

but might cause other probs?? yoke/uni not fitting??

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http://holdenpaedia....lshaft_ID_s.jpg

 

and will source v8 rod :)

 

and hold off buying everything.. till i stop my brain leaking out of my eares from meltdown






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