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Posted 24 June 2017 - 01:40 PM

Too be honest, read my mind.
Been teasing myself looking at new ones for $450

With that gunk coating it.. that isn't exactly falling off with carby cleaner at all, and thinking of it inside the ports I can't get to..
Yup. F#@k.

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 04:38 PM

Good on you for having a go Mat, but I would be definitely looking at another carb.
Who knows what other bits of crud etc you aren't going to find ,which could block up another passage or make your needle and seat stick !!
Which isn't a pleasant experience when you are driving along. Happened to me once ,wasn't sure what was going on but the car was running horribly ,spluttering and carrying on , when I finally pulled over and opened the bonnet I had an extremely hot manifold filled with puddles of boiling fuel !! Scary to say the least.
It is good though to pull one apart, makes troubleshooting a lot easier if something else goes wrong.

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 05:09 PM

cheers obey1,  will put my carby kit aside for when need in a few years and consider myself luck with my overall experience so far :)

 

and know what you mean. am having nightmares of a carby fire,  going by the leaks ive had with this old one.. and haven't even driven her yet. 

bugger the ol' pools of fuel on the hot manifold trick!

and yes, have been forced to learn VALUEABLE knowledge already from this, which is darn good



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Posted 24 June 2017 - 07:02 PM

If you're going to buy a new one get a 500



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Posted 24 June 2017 - 09:22 PM

heya mark, that's the carby the guy i bought car off recommended (well that, or a 350 if couldn't get one)

 

tad confused, are about the same price as the 350, if not cheaper 

although looks to me somewhat identical, i ASSUMED would be tad more expensive.

 

here is the 350 was considering, for $430

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http://www.ebay.com....zoAAOSwSdZWcgcY

 

 

and here's their 500, for $400

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http://www.ebay.com....SAAAOSwj85YNLuT

 

add an extra $40 for electric choke.

 

hmm. have not researched, but the idea of electric choke seems great, (especially for the price)

 



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:58 AM

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 10:13 AM

would sure make it easier to rego, i gather

(and a little cheaper.)

cheers for the reminder mark

 

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have just got my head around the internals and externals of the holley,

seems the easiest to tinker with,

 

could always go back to it in future if want. and get a four barrel manifold

and go for a quaddrajet

 

or..

?????????  

f@#k. 

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i guess my main concern SHOULD be rwc/rego.

it's just that at my country vic roads they don't even look at the two cars i've taken to get rwc'd

..so keep toying with idea a holley would go unnoticed

..but has to get passed by mechanic's rwc first as well. so...


Edited by livo74, 25 June 2017 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 10:15 AM

It's not a bad option. More reliable than the Holley too.



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 10:28 AM

more reliable is another bonus i could add, and was unaware of,

cheers laurie!

 

they have two options (on ebay)

 

exactly the same?

 

or..

bit more post pollution on first one? 

 

GENUINE GM WW STROMBERG HOLDEN HZ 253 AUTO 1977/79 CARBURETTOR 23-3111 KINGSWOOD

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http://www.ebay.com....OQAAOSwanRXhxYO

 

and pre-poll on this one 

??

 

GENUINE GM WW STROMBERG HOLDEN HX 253 AUTO 1976/77 CARBURETTOR KINGSWOOD

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http://www.ebay.com....UUAAOSw2zlXhxQ6

 

 

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my car "technically" should be governed by the later commodore (vb) rules,

but even the pre poll would suffice, going by the previous posts,

if i have MOST of the things attached/setup looking right

(as in vic roads wouldn't really know the bloody difference.)

and

the pre-er poll the better.



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 04:59 PM

with the new developements, if do end up going stock carby for rego now,

..Eunuch, andrew and gtr 

will owe you boys some serious aplogies!!

as about bloody 5 pages are your answers to questions of mine about having holley setup!

aargh!!



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:04 PM

Hmm main consideration for me is will you end up buying 308 bottom end down the track..if so I'd be wanting 4bbl.

 

Vh 253 had hi-po version that was hei dissy,twin into single exhaust with aluminum 4bbl manifold/quaddie..all good gear that can be put onto 5 litre block.

 

Also think you'd probably get away with holley for rego these days as long as car is neat & presentable + pollution crap "looks" like it's hooked up

 

Tightarse/D.I.Y part of me says have a crack at that holley you already got...cant make it any worse.



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:41 PM

You're also looking at a different air cleaner for the stock carby.



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 09:09 PM

heya andrew, knew about air cleaner. been checking out prices on ebay, $50 for a 9 x2" so not too much of a waste.

 

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had to muddy the waters didn't cha gtr lol

 

had the holley soaking and still can pry that needle free, and the gunk has to be scraped off so is definitely nasty in the hard to reach places i suspect.

 

had looked at quaddra's, $680 for a full reco'ed  one. pricey!

am starting to think that will wait and see what comes with the 308 i might get in future, and let that decide the carby.

 

and just start fresh with cheapish reco'd stock and get car finished and rego'd, then move on.

 

(if i drive car for a year or two then the moneys not a terrible waste, as in not getting the transferrable quaddie first)



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 09:47 PM

Quaddies are good,sold the reco'd one I had dirt cheap $200-$300 but also sold off spare ones to pay for it all...temporarily had vh blue 253/trimatic & hz 308 in the Gtr with extractors/hei/3.9 lsd

 

Quaddie was very nice carb had reco'd by purplelc(?) from here but the engines were too standard & slow for what I was used to lol.

 

Keep trying on that holley or try another Wanted To buy ad see what pops up.



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 11:13 PM

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$420

Holden 308 V8 Blue motor carby Rochester Quadrajet carburettor Remanufactured

http://www.ebay.com....qAAAOxyPepRkCy8

 

didn't think could get for a comparable price to the stromberg

 

would have to buy the 2bbl adapter, or get off my ass and put on the spare 4bbl manifold i bought just to get the poll gear off.

later probably best option.

 

would... like to get a reco'd one, as opposed to second hand used.

 

the one i have linked above says for blue motor.

mines red. important?? (probably! lol)


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 11:31 PM

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(*pic from an earlier post of mine)

 

a can of worms i don't need? or just use an adapter on my 2bbl manifold, as there's no great power improvement?

 

(i... don't envisage changing engines anytime soon.)


Edited by livo74, 25 June 2017 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:56 AM

From factory 4bbl/hei/twin pipes was the power upgrade....although it's not a massive improvement unless upgrading engine internals imho.

 

Basically if staying holley just use your adaptor & 2bbl manifold.

 

If going the quaddie use 4bbl manifold as it bolts straight on...holley carb will need different adaptor unless carb has the correct base.

 

For reference the 2 metal pipes bolt to side of the quaddie,

                             vacuum tree is extra lines for pollution shite.....it unscrews,you can either change to your fitting or other holden versions.

                             accelerator bracket is commodore,cable comes from front

                            

                            The rest of the stuff is pollution crap but easy enough to hook up.

 

Them 2nd hand holleys are dirt cheap on ebay too.

 

How hard is it to get a car registered down there?  Decided on carb yet? lol

 

Most seem to be a little lenient up here just to see a neat old jalopy back on the road & it helps most can't remember what their actually meant to have from factory.



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 08:56 AM

lol

no decision as yet hahaha

 

..but, i am NEVER going to understand engines the way you guys do, and a mans gotsta know his limitations.

and if i ever going to stop asking soooo many questions so you guys can concentrate on the next poor lost soul..

i need to keep things basic, too.

 

hmmm. 

 

i have no idea how hard is to rego, and i am not after massive power, nor speed.

(in fact, exhaust cement applied with a spatula into the straight trhu mufflers perforated holes for a fun lumpy loud sound.. is all i am really after.)

 

will ponder further and make a decision.



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 10:48 AM

Matt, don't forget that the answers you are getting from the absolute gentlemen who have been putting their time into this, will be helping others in years to come. Because you ask the "stupid" questions, this thread will be invaluable to many other people who are willing to have a go. :spoton:



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

ww stromberg

"good fuel economy, ok power." 

 

that's the deciding factor, as every trip i'll be doing will be between 100-50 k's, to elsernwick and cockatoo to visit daughter and mum mostly.

 

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got my head around most of this. any help with rest would be much appreciated.

will be going as less post-polution ..as possible.

 

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1. Fresh air feed to the auto choke heat tube (?)

2. Vacuum pull diaphragm

3. Pipe from manifold heat tube to ?? "Auto choke"

4. Egr valve (Hidden in pic ??)

5. Distributor vac advance

6. PCV valve

7. ?

8. ?

9. Cannister "carb" (i think ?)

10. Fuel line

11. ?

12. ?

13 Fuel pump

14. ? (air mixture screws at a guess)

 

Pic below

1a. 

2a.

3a.

4a.

 

 

 

 

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point being, if not running an Egr .. can i just block off port on carb? (suspect.. not!?)

 

here are some parts can steal off spare (vb 253) manifold

 

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and some example pics

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The carby am buying does not come with what i think is called a "Deceleration Dashpot"  which has been fitted to the Throttle "which makes the Throttle close gradually"


Edited by livo74, 26 June 2017 - 11:34 AM.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:23 AM

cheers laurie, other have privately contacted me and said same thing.

they LOVE my *7026 stupid questions! 

 

(*number will change. will be more shortly without any doubt! ;) )

 

regardless, possibly frustrating is possibly frustrating. so for that i do apologise



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:08 PM

probably best if i buy the carby, mount it, do as much as i can, and do a little more research, 

and then ask questions. will have it in a couple of weeks ( hopefully!)



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 05:34 PM

#7 is just a full vac take off to run other stuff that was hooked up to pollution control stuff ?

 

#8 is what they call "fast idle" screw and is adjusted to get the idle ok when the choke is on , this screw touches on the 'steps" of the 

odd looking camy thing that it lines up with.

It is only used to get cold idle right while choke is "on" , after the choke comes off it does nothing but take up space.

 

#10 is a bowl vent and goes to canister

 

# 12 is "normal idle" adjustment , used to set "curb idle" or just plain idle once engine is at operating temp.

 

# 11 which is #14 in the other picture is idle mixture adjustment , 2 of them because it is a 2 barrel and each one is set to get

best idle.

 

#13 is accelerator pump.

 

The fuel line from fuel pump goes into the bowel on the choke thermostat side and has a special brass fitting that is the seat for the needle as well as being able to screw a flare nut with a piece of flared steel tube into it from the out side , the original fuel line from pump to carb was all steel tube , these days most people just use rubber line and use a short piece of steel tube onto the carb as can be seen in the picture showing the lectric solenoid thing.

 

Your manifold looks like the EGR port is plated does it not ? , if not then plate it and do not use EGR , EGR was obviously a problem

which is why they probably blanked it off to bypass making more pollution.

 

They are not a bad little carb , bit harder to play with than a 350 but look "factory" and work ok on a stock 253.

 

Yeah , it's hard to make a choice  at times and satisfy the rest of the rules & regs , surely someone has a serviceable WW that could be tried out ?

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:27 PM

Be good if you can borrow a WW or even another holley to try out & get it running.

 

Don't mind the question as you're out there having a go doing it yourself & most importantly learning

 

 

 



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:33 PM

cheers eunuch!

7. so.. block off (?)

 

8. gotcha!

 

10. so.. is a bowl vent and goes to canister. (and not the fuel line, like i wrote)

on cannister is it "carb" or "purge" outlet

     

i have written #9 as cannister "carb".

right? wrong?.

 

might of been a different model ww i saw that #10 as being "fuel line". (they had a fuel line and filter attached)

 

i see now,

the fuel line is the nut to the side of the choke.

i need to screw a flare nut with a piece of flared steel tube, to run hose.

 

12. gotcha!

 

11 &14. idle mixture adjustment x 2, gothcha! 

 

EGR, will keep blocked with plate. (and block with end cap #4 on carby, i gather.)

 

 

much appreciated! will update my main image soon.

am settled on this carby, finally! hahaha

 

looking to get the reco'd one i linked.

expensive, i know

..but hoping to avoid any unnecessary hassles, if poss. 

 

 

---------and realised,

#4A goes to the #1. ("Fresh air feed to the auto choke heat tube")


Edited by livo74, 26 June 2017 - 06:39 PM.





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