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_76lxJAS_
Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:26 PM
big congrats mate.
mark this day down as the birth of a new baby haha..
im guessing the extractors are just burning in as you say,,
and for the rear need to take her for a good drive to blow out the cobwebs and then see how it is??
sounds very nice, its a credit to you for sticking with it,,
_livo74_
Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:49 PM
cheers jas! it bloody lives!
smoke seems to be getting less, so hope is extractors
can't drive as have no brakes, darn it.
time to learn how to bleed a system and redo.
and.. do timing. have bought a kit? no idea what i am supposed to do with it, but bought all the same. will research
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:28 PM
Oh My, Don't you post alot
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:17 PM
Yeee Haaarrrrr. The "smoke" coming out of the ends of your exhaust is steam from condensation inside. Have you checked the oil pressure while it is running? Also don't let it run for too long without the fan working. A couple of minutes at most.
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:40 PM
First clip thought "Relax...Just a bit more timing"
I would have shown you easy way to crank it over with switch so you stay under bonnet & turn dissy untill it fired (too much can singe eyebrow off haha)
White smoke is condensation evaporating out exhaust etc
Stinky weird plastic smell is paint coat
Smoke rising is mixture of oil/grease stains & heat...eventually all burns out.
Surprised how smooth it idled that lifters bled quickly.'
Get fan hooked up if want to run it longer then do brakes so you find more noises & stuff to fix.
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:23 PM
I'm a bit late to the party but...
Hope you filled it up with fuel, I've got a feeling you'll want to hear that running about once every ten minutes tonight! Congrats!
What happened with the brake lights? And did the rest of the dash lights start working once the alternator (etc.) got hooked up?
And how did you wire the fans? First step to diagnose would be the pull the wire off the sender (on the manifold) and earth it out, if the fans come on then you know it's the sender.
Or do you have an override switch somewhere?
_livo74_
Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:15 PM
Yeee Haaarrrrr. The "smoke" coming out of the ends of your exhaust is steam from condensation inside. Have you checked the oil pressure while it is running? Also don't let it run for too long without the fan working. A couple of minutes at most.
Yeee Haarrrr indeed!!
does appear to be white smoke, so condensation aye. gtr mentions same.
as for oil pressure, will look more closely, though.. still have the "sensor", havent replaced with the "switch"
and as soon as realised engine was "hot" and i gathered/expected fan to be coming on i turned it off. have not run the car for more than 2 minutes at a time since.
_livo74_
Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:21 PM
First clip thought "Relax...Just a bit more timing"
I would have shown you easy way to crank it over with switch so you stay under bonnet & turn dissy untill it fired (too much can singe eyebrow off haha)
White smoke is condensation evaporating out exhaust etc
Stinky weird plastic smell is paint coat
Smoke rising is mixture of oil/grease stains & heat...eventually all burns out.
Surprised how smooth it idled that lifters bled quickly.'
Get fan hooked up if want to run it longer then do brakes so you find more noises & stuff to fix.
not me! first clip i was silently praying to the gods! lol
condensation, gotcha!
not stinky smell really.
only what appears to be coming off the extractors!
(have heard if timing out can cause extractors to overheat?? anyways, are brand new and was told they were "coated", with what i didn't ask)
rapt to hear smooth idle was a surprise
still, imagine idle a lot bloody smoother if i had the dizzy and timing done ha!
brakes are next. need to research how to drain and fill n bleed.
and more noises and stuff to fix unavoidable i guess, darn it!
_livo74_
Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:36 PM
I'm a bit late to the party but...
Hope you filled it up with fuel, I've got a feeling you'll want to hear that running about once every ten minutes tonight! Congrats!
What happened with the brake lights? And did the rest of the dash lights start working once the alternator (etc.) got hooked up?
And how did you wire the fans? First step to diagnose would be the pull the wire off the sender (on the manifold) and earth it out, if the fans come on then you know it's the sender.
Or do you have an override switch somewhere?
that picture was me! just out of frame!
have been trying not to run till have fan, so yes.. going out and rumbling the neighborhood for a minute or two periodically!
heaven. it's heaven.
brake lights, turns out my pedal wasn't QUITE contacting again.
forgot about that. hoping.. when have pressure in booster that goes away. only missing by mm or 2. (may need to adjust as has been mentioned.)
will post a vid of what lights light up and when. (don't know what i'm looking for.)
so any advice once vid showing them is posted would be tops as always!
the fan
wired like this
will unclip and ground to see if system working to that point. cheers!!!
now, have not done anything to brown "ign or fan switch", figured not needed.
(as i just wanted it to come on automatically when reached temp via thermo in manifold)
________
note: still havent replaced EITHER of my VB sensors with torry switches. (temp and oil pressure)
(which i have been assuming is why they seem to gently go dull/brighten like a guage! lol)
Edited by livo74, 01 August 2017 - 10:40 PM.
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:29 PM
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 01:33 AM
have not done anything to brown "ign or fan switch", figured not needed.
Well there's ya problem!
Brown needs to be connected to a positive power source, if you just want to see if everything is working, simply connect it to the battery positive terminal for now, but then the fans will run whenever the engine is hot, so may flatten the battery.
It's supposed to be connected to an ignition source so the fans can't run unless the ignition is on, this wire should only draw a tiny amount of current (just enough to close the relay) so it should be okay to connect it to the positive side of the coil (pretty sure you did the +12V HEI bypass on the ignition switch didn't you)?
If you want to run a manual override switch under the dash, you just need to tap into the black wire (leave the temp sender connected, just join into that wire) and run it inside to one side of a switch, then connect the other side of that switch to ground somewhere. When the switch is on it will bypass the temp sender and run the fans whenever the ignition is on.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 01:44 AM
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:17 AM
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:45 AM
I think you now have the bug that we all have. Hearing that V8 gave me an instant fix. Well done!
One thing I did notice on the first two video's.... there seems to be some electrical arcing coming from near the carby/top radiator hose. Didn't see it after that, but worth investigating.
Agree with other comments above regarding smoke and yeah, should be able to run without fans until top hose has been hot for a few(5) minutes due to the thermostat opening.
Enjoy!
_Lazarus_
Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:07 AM
The sweet sound of a 253. Well done mate.
Brakes are a piece of cake after what you've managed already.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:25 AM
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 12:09 PM
Great work. Always nice to finally get it running. Time for a drive...
_livo74_
Posted 02 August 2017 - 04:41 PM
thank you daz!
thank you mark!
thank you nick!
thank you steve!
thank you mark!
thank you trevor!
thank you gerry!
thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
and now for the updates..
not all... great.
(trying to post vids but phone not sending as yet??)
i moved some leads around to try and reduce arcing steve. don't know if worked.
andrew, i connected the brown to positive coil, and checked grounding the temp sender, and it works.
(not idea if my el'cheapo sender is activating)
started her up, don't think was running as smoothly as yesterday, close.. but not quite.
my fan didn't turn on, even after 5 minutes and the engine was hot.
so.. i hard wired the fan to come on with the ignition (by grounding it to the chassis)
about 5 minutes after that.. with fan running..
started running shit, and .. thick smoke started coming from my extractors, yup.
(vids are starting to send, will upload to youtube asap)
first and foremost.. i didn't seal my extractors well. i gather.
(and sadly expected, sere so hard to fit that copper goo probably not even as took so long! ??)
secondly, how do you tell if your cooling system is turning/flowing?
i don't think mines correct.
won't say AAARGH! ..yet.
will try to remain upbeat.
Great stuff.
The safe time to run the engine without a fan would be closer to 10-15 minutes.
In 2 minutes the bloody thermostat wouldn't be anywhere near opening......so no danger of overheating.
To be safe though, get the fan installed and cooling system fully sorted but don't be scared to run the thing long enough to get the timing and carb tuned.
Great stuff again.
and thirdly...
busy much?
_livo74_
Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:17 PM
been out again, starts and run pretty good didn't give it time to overheat
did check one thing for the first time though..
tried putting it in gear..
um, wont go into a gear.
loves neutral! ..but a gear..? no.
(not enough trans fluid?? is "full". ??)
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Edited by livo74, 02 August 2017 - 06:01 PM.
_76lxJAS_
Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:03 PM
to check for circulation run it with the radiator cap off,
u should be able to see when the thermostat opens by the water moving/flowing in the radiator,
if its not flowing the thermostat has not opened yet..
do u have a aftermarket temp gauge fitted??
now it has been running, go over the extractor bolts and re tighten them, pretty tight but not to the point where u will snap,,
also from what i could see the smoke off the extractor was while not running?
this would be be something burning off/in paint oil etc, or possibly could have wires to close?
double check no wires are to close melting in the heat,
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:18 PM
Timing & idle speed still off..no biggie.
We call it the 'foot choke method'
Basically 1-2 pumps...crank it over
Once it fires keep it alive just enough with pedal
Takes 1-2 minutes before needle moves
Probably take between 5-10mins to get thermostat to open..when it does you'll see water drop in radiator....takes even longer for fan to come on
If you're worried borrow infra-red gun or stick thermometer in radiator but basically if nothing drastic happens first couple of start ups engine should be ok.
Check trans level...make sure still nice colour....run through each position 2sec delay...chock front wheels,jack up the rear to see if they turn with it in gear.
_livo74_
Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:20 PM
heya jas,
did the radiator cap off and didn't see movement.
no aftermarket temp guage. would LOZE one right now.( will look into)
the big smoke did come when was running.
and appeared to be "steam" as when turned off engine brown liquid was gathered at extractors, where steam? had been gathering.
have re-tightened the extractors.
not ballsy enough to retry getting engine hot to test.
even with fan permanently on it "got hot" and started coughing and idling rough after a couple of minutes of running to hot again.
am going to take a step back and ponder for a bit.
will give me time to install the front and rear windscreens and do brakes.
as for my timing... dizzy it is at full anticlockwise , as the ?vacuum diaphragm? on the side hits a head bolt and won't go further.
tried turning to clockwise and stalls immediately.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:26 PM
Last 2 clips smoke might be a oil leak onto extractor?
Other clip if top hose not pressurised after running doubt you've had it hot enough for thermostat to open yet...when it does can top it up.
For timing...bust out the liquid paper or white marker...dab the little 'v' on pulley & big line on timing cover marks...with timing light try to line it up at 6-8 degrees...see if it likes that..I'd probably turn idle up more so won't stall when put in gear.
Edited by gtrboyy, 02 August 2017 - 07:27 PM.
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