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Project SLR5000 replica / LX Torana Sedan 77

Started by _livo74_ , Dec 16 2014 07:48 PM

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#926 _livo74_

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:54 AM

mmmmay of been rushing to stop coolant leaking as didn't have any to replace.. so..

think you are right, it was the dongle hitting something and JUST HAPPENED to be at the exact point thread starts, and i just didn't look close enough at what was happening.

will move to middle hole and put temp "sensor" on the drivers.

think this will wonderfully indeed work, cus...

i have that spare 4barrel manifold, and i went and had as squizz at it just now, and being that it's not mounted i was able to feel underneath,

(and not only was the depth indeed too shallow at drivers side hole.. but also)

seems the later model vb sensor itself is shallow too!!! (MUCH shorter than the LX tory sensor)

and so should fit in the drivers side hole.

will do the ol' switch switcharoo!

5 sensors fitted.

1 oil guage, 1 oil switch,

1 temp gauge, 2 temp switches (1 at 125C, and one at 90C for thermo)

um, i have a frOcking LOT of wires coming out of my engine.

despite my ineptness...

it's all coming tother! lol

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#927 Bigfella237

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:38 AM

Leave that blank bung where it is on the driver's side and just swap the new Torana switch for the old Commodore one in the middle, since it won't be any use to you anyway.

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#928 _livo74_

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:08 PM

drivers side vb comm sender will be used for the gauges am hooking up.

how well it marries/matches the gauges i bought remains to be seen.

is not the temp "sender" that was included with the gauges pack i bought.

HOPEFULLY a generic setting, and gauges don't care what model temp sender it's attached to.

will ROUGHLY find out if gauge shows about same temp.. when known temp "thermo" kicks in.

(that, or buy a thermometer, i guess)

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#929 _livo74_

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:53 PM

gauges installed.

engine cold start.

oil at 6.5 - 6.8 kg

what the bloody hell is "kg". "psi" i've heard of.??

thermo fan just turned on.

switch for the thermo fan is rated at 90C, (also mounted in manifold)

my new gauge temp showed 100C

normal?? not normal? or 10 degree discrepancy possibly due to not using the temp sender that came with the gauges kit.

??

oil at 5- 7 kg

Edited by livo74, 19 August 2017 - 04:56 PM.

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#930 _livo74_

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:39 PM

NONE of the negatives are run to a black/the battery.*

unlike the manual/diagram showed to install, i have just used a common ground wire for all to the chassis.

don't know if causes any pos or neg effect.

(*apart from the 2 ground wires from oil and temp senders, obviously)

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:12 PM

gauges installed.

engine cold start.

oil at 6.5 - 6.8 kg

what the bloody hell is "kg". "psi" i've heard of.??

oil at 5- 7 kg

Kilograms per square centimetre (the metric version of pounds per square inch)

1 kg/cm² roughly equals 1 bar (it's actually 0.980665 bar)

1 bar equals 14.5 psi

So 6.5KG should equal 94PSI, that seems very high for an idle oil pressure, even with cold oil. I'd expect to see that kind of pressure at full revs but probably only half that at hot idle?

If it was me, I think I'd want to check those gauges with an old-school mechanical gauge? I guess it doesn't matter too much.

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#932 _livo74_

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:20 PM

Thought seemed high, but didn't know for sure, cheers Andrew

Will definitely get a mech gauge and check again
(.. and maybe drain my oil and start again.
Figured being an old engine would be good to add a bottle of expensive oil thickener additive to help compression.
??might not of been a great idea)

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:39 PM

Ah that would explain it, disregard double-checking then, the gauge is probably correct (seeing as they provided a matching sender).

May as well leave that oil in at least until you've done a few KMs on the road.

So did you get that T-piece for the standard oil switch fitted? Does the oil light on the dash work properly now (I recall it was flickering with the old sender)?

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#934 _livo74_

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:27 AM

cool as, will leave in for now, and borrow a mech test and then post update when have dumped oil/changed filter

hell yeah, tee piece

now the only time my oil light comes on is at startup! lol

(same for temp light)

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#935 _LS1 Taxi_

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:54 AM

That motor sounds nice.

94 psi is miles too high and no way that's legit. Sender likely speaking a different language to gauge.
No matter, so long as it has SOME oil pressure is all that matters on an old clunker.

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#936 _livo74_

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 10:06 AM

cheers daz, happy to admit was blown away by the sound the old girl puts out.

and, um, i thought she was going to be a bit of a slug.

(not that cared AT ALL. am only interested in sound, not killing myself.)

TO ME, she's the opposite of a slug, it gets up and boogies.

to say that i was surprised would be a complete fooking understatement!!

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and will do a direct mech test in future and see just how far out from accurate

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#937 Rockoz

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 10:28 AM

Typically an old 253 or 308 will have reasonable oil pressure when cold at idle but drops off quickly as it warms up.

Pressuer will be okay with even a small amount of revs.

Warm at idle and they barely register on the guage.

But thats pretty normal.

Yours looks a tad too high, but may be because of the additives.

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#938 _livo74_

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:46 AM

heya rob, everyone is just a tad suspicious and would prefer me to do a proper test to know what's what.

just why they have little faith in my $22 inc delivery gauge setup i don't know!

(add to that my precise auto elec knowhow.. )

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#939 _Potsie_

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:42 PM

Engine sounding very nice Mat. The 253 with a dual exhaust is a very neat tune. Is it stock?

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#940 _livo74_

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 03:09 PM

Heya potsie, exhaust sure ain't stock.
Full dual two inch extractored with kiss pipe.
Vb comm engine stock.. I think.
Rockers are stock, and has the basic 2 barrel manifold. That's all I know about it
(Other than hei dizzy addition I did)

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#941 _livo74_

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 04:56 PM

myself, am not having as much success at using a UC shifter as others, darn it!

3 things appear to be stopping me

1. the pivot point is about 2 inches forward than a torana console/shifter, and would never let you get in park.

2. it stands on a completely different angle.

3. it is an inch higher than needed (at the chrome stick's "join") and therefore doesn't clear the underneath of auto console, at all.

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(if moved entire shifter back and re-cut hole, and took to fornt of tunnel will the a sledge hammer and lowered it about 2-3 inchs.. it just might?? work. not doing that though.

on the positive side.. the "throw" is perfect and i can finally shift thru gears for the first time.

that i have enjoyed!

will try to have more of a think

and also look into the complexities of taking the lower "arm" off it, and mounting on my other shifter.

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#942 _livo74_

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:08 PM

:banghead: will post a thread asking for advice if anyones done before

http://www.gmh-toran...rimatic-wanted/

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#943 gtrboyy

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:21 PM

So the Uc shifter fits tunnel & works perfectly it just doesn't fit with lx console cover it?

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#944 _livo74_

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:26 PM

Heya gtr, yup, perfect.
First time have actually shifted and felt the normal transitions during the shift, in tune with the said position on the shifter.

As for fitting the console.. WAY out.

The lower arm is correct/perfect

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:26 PM

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#946 gtrboyy

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:43 PM

Cool so it's moreso cosmetic.

Probably have to work out if you want to fit uc gear slector cover & modify it to fit in with your console or find a way to mod nicer lx console.

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#947 _livo74_

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:58 PM

for shame! lol

before altering a beautiful lx console!..

only thing can think of would be to move shifter back so sits at same pivot point a normal lx shifter pivots at,

cut the tunnel "square" further back, (and then weld in the missing/cut out metal)

and take sledgehammer to the tunnel to drop shifter plate front down.. so stick is now at the same/correct angle

easy peasy? imagine not.

may have to try..if any other option doesn't arise i guess

(before that.. am hoping someone knows how to remove the lower arm and remount on another, if another shifter can't be found that is)

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:46 AM

Yeah please don't modify the car or the console, it's too damn hard to find them in original condition as it is without cutting up what's left, plus if you ever decided to put a manual gearbox back in it you'll have to deal with the mangled floor all over again.

Interesting information on the UC shifter, but which shifter are you comparing it to? The one you had originally must have been wrong to start with?

There never was a Turbo-Hydromatic (TH350 or TH400) in a Torana from the factory so it can't be designed for those?

Another thing to consider, which might be easier, if you can't shorten the lever on the shifter you could try to find or make a longer lever to go an the transmission?

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#949 gtrboyy

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:06 PM

Didn't mean chop factory console..fcuk no! Especially if it's still in good condition..

Meant as in fit separate uc indicator cover over shifter then make new top section around it that will clip in original console.

Uc are like 3 sections I think???

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#950 _livo74_

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:33 PM

Yeah please don't modify the car or the console, it's too damn hard to find them in original condition as it is without cutting up what's left, plus if you ever decided to put a manual gearbox back in it you'll have to deal with the mangled floor all over again.

Interesting information on the UC shifter, but which shifter are you comparing it to? The one you had originally must have been wrong to start with?

There never was a Turbo-Hydromatic (TH350 or TH400) in a Torana from the factory so it can't be designed for those?

Another thing to consider, which might be easier, if you can't shorten the lever on the shifter you could try to find or make a longer lever to go an the transmission?

first things first..

in relation to the oil pressure..

" the gauge is probably correct (seeing as they provided a matching sender)."

to which i just whistled and said move along people, nothing to see here lol

so, um, correct sender sent with kit NOW in. (had to buy a 1/4 to 1/8th's adapter.)

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