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[EunUCh]

So, if all these fakes are out there and most if not all numbers are on a national data base or available to the police via access 

to these records or otherwise held,how come the shit only hit's the fan many years down the track..what exactly is going on ?

[REDA9X]

Adam, I share your frustration, but you can't get involved in this police investigation unless you have something with hard evidence to add, the hand it to the police. On the other hand, I'm sure if you were being questioned you wouldn't like your name being bantied around if you were in fact innocent.

Apologies, but this site is helping them by burying their heads in the sand. Simple.

[REDA9X]

I saw a guy at Torana the Great in 2004 trying to sell what was apparently an LX SLR5000. It had LX SLR trim, but painted like an LH SLR5000 and had the chrome LX strips around the windows. It took 2 seconds to realise the car had tags from two different cars and was in fact an LX SLR. He had a number of people foooled though like a lot of people who take their cars to shows and claim they are something they are not.

I've heard some pretty reconduclous statements, Like at the last local car show old mate telling me that the "L32 M40" on his tag ment factory 308 four speed on his totally origional resto SLR, that was vibrantly painted in a LH SLR 5000 theme even though it was a LX...But FFS....

[Ice]

Imho this sort of stuff going on with these fakes will one day affect the ridgy didge cars hope im wrong

Value wise

[REDA9X]

To a point yes, it will, but what it does is make the cars with unquestionable history worth more to a real collector. It makes it hard though when some are well know cars and people and all of a sudden there is a big question mark over them

Imho this sort of stuff going on with these fakes will one day affect the ridgy didge cars hope im wrong

Value wise

[REDA9X]

Sometimes threads get closed down to protect people too, usually from themselves. I remember someone making some unfounded comments about a car they hadn't even seen in person and had no knowledge off. That thread was closed so they didn't shove their foot any further down their throat.

Questioned ? Unlikely, unless that half wit Dan chimes in.

The vic rubbish aside, why are threads shut down so quickly at the owners request... ONCE THEY realise they have posted something incriminating....

Im done, hopefully the police sort it out and we actually get to hear the end result, names included.

[tinkers]

Threads often get shut down due to going off topic or the original post, people jumping on the band wagon or personal threats. This thread wont get closed but some people wont be able to post.

[REDA9X]

Once the investigation is over you will be told.

 

yes, coz i am off topic hey tinkers ? Like i said rant is over, hopefully the police sort it out and we actually are afforded the knowledge of who was involved.

[REDA9X]

And just as easy for the fakers to get the numbers, just like whats happened in victoria.

Sadly you big Torana guys dont have a Vin disk, so i suppose this is true. 

 

Sorry was thinking baby Toranas where this is easilly misproven. 

[S pack]

Sometimes threads get closed down to protect people too, usually from themselves. I remember someone making some unfounded comments about a car they hadn't even seen in person and had no knowledge off. That thread was closed so they didn't shove their foot any further down their throat.

Sometimes it isn't practical to travel thousands of K's to inspect a car that one is not in the market to purchase. Sellers put up photos of various parts of their cars and often those photos speak a thousand words, if you know what to look for.

 

If upon receipt of negative news they are going to go into a state of denial then they probably shouldn't ask all and sundry if the item in question is legit or a fake in the first instance.

 

Not our fault if people can't handle the truth about their claimed factory original this and that.

[DanWA]

Questioned ? Unlikely, unless that half wit Dan chimes in.

The vic rubbish aside, why are threads shut down so quickly at the owners request... ONCE THEY realise they have posted something incriminating....

Im done, hopefully the police sort it out and we actually get to hear the end result, names included.

 

*CHIMES*

[DanWA]

Interesting stance now days, i copped a few bans in the past for being against re-shells

 

Now all of a sudden its taboo?

 

No need to name and shame Skap, i'm sure anyone with half a brain can work out who it is from the pics

[Tyre biter]

Stupid question I guess, but referencing Adam's commentary, have charges been laid in Court as yet?

 

If not, then the approach taken is very appropriate IMO - not to identify those involved - this is what the principles of natural and procedure justice are there for.  In addition, this stance protects both this forum and its members from civil litigation whilst also not jeopardising a prosecution re: the prospects of findings against any defendant in Court.

 

If so, then I see no issue (at law) with naming defendants so long as it is clear commentary regarding their involvement is clear the matters are allegations until such time the matters are deemed to have been proven by the Courts.  Having said that, if I were an the owner or an administrator of this forum I too would be reluctant to allow naming regardless - who really wants to be named as a respondent in a civil tort/writ regardless of the strength or not of the petitioner's case?

 

Cheers, TB

[REDA9X]

I agree with you, and if that was the case thats understandable, but this case was different to what you described.

 

Sometimes people have their own agendas to put down other peoples vehicles....

 

Sometimes it isn't practical to travel thousands of K's to inspect a car that one is not in the market to purchase. Sellers put up photos of various parts of their cars and often those photos speak a thousand words, if you know what to look for.

 

If upon receipt of negative news they are going to go into a state of denial then they probably shouldn't ask all and sundry if the item in question is legit or a fake in the first instance.

 

Not our fault if people can't handle the truth about their claimed factory original this and that.

Dan, I'm not aware of that, what was the post exactly

Interesting stance now days, i copped a few bans in the past for being against re-shells

 

Now all of a sudden its taboo?

 

No need to name and shame Skap, i'm sure anyone with half a brain can work out who it is from the pics

[REDA9X]

Usually once it's gone to court or charges laid it's common knowlege and reported in the media. We may all remember a certain XU1 person being caught a few years ago and his name plastered all over the place. If someone sees it in the paper where people are named, then it's out in the open and not our problem. When it becomes a problem is the "pub talk" where someone knows or has half an idea who is involved and starts plastering that name around the place. I know exactly who it is, but 'm not going to be the one to release the name.

Stupid question I guess, but referencing Adam's commentary, have charges been laid in Court as yet?

 

If not, then the approach taken is very appropriate IMO - not to identify those involved - this is what the principles of natural and procedure justice are there for.  In addition, this stance protects both this forum and its members from civil litigation whilst also not jeopardising a prosecution re: the prospects of findings against any defendant in Court.

 

If so, then I see no issue (at law) with naming defendants so long as it is clear commentary regarding their involvement is clear the matters are allegations until such time the matters are deemed to have been proven by the Courts.  Having said that, if I were an the owner or an administrator of this forum I too would be reluctant to allow naming regardless - who really wants to be named as a respondent in a civil tort/writ regardless of the strength or not of the petitioner's case?

 

Cheers, TB

[wot179]

I suspect the (latest) thread in question was regards a JP block that had a questionable font in the engine number.

[lx308]

What thread was that Craig? That never happened, just search the forum, you'll find nothing

[wot179]

Yeah...I know.

Best for Red to ask Datto. I think it was Datto that ditched it, but will happily stand corrected on that.

Wish I could remember the thread title, Google would still find it.

[lx308]

Finds it, but you can't read it...