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[Bigfella237]

May I offer some advice you probably don't want to hear?

 

I know patience is not a virtue that P-platers are known for but my advice is to park the Torana up in the shed for twelve months or even a couple of years and go buy something that doesn't attract quite so much attention to get you through your P's.

 

Several reasons... A V8 Torana wearing P-plates may as well have a huge flashing neon sign on the roof that says "pull me over, officer", if you start out with the Torana then my money says you'll be lucky to keep your licence three months and it'll take you six years to get off your P's.

 

Secondly, every Aussie male P-plater since the beginning of time has crashed their first car, this is not a reflection on your driving skills, you just can't learn the limit of adhesion until you cross over it. Do you really want that car to be your Torana (I certainly don't).

 

Plus, when you do crash your first car, you stand a much better chance of living through the experience if you're not doing 130 mph at the time!

[hawk]

I dissagree with the above i jist got my full licence and drove my torana for the majority of my p plates never been in a crash and only got pulled up 2 times in it over 3 and a half years and one of those was taking it to get regoed with no plates. As for engineers, drop a hot 6 in which wont need an engineers then an 8 later on.

[hawk]

Just stay alert on the road and dont do stupid stuff. I thrashed my car a lot and went through 3 gearboxes and 3 diffs which gets expensive. Jist take it to a rwc place and get it checked theu may not evem menion getting it engineered depends where you go i guess

[hawk]

Na i have a standard small salisbury. And the above damage wasnt done by burnouts haha. Either way good luck with ot. Hope you get it going and can drive it.

[Potta]

I dissagree with the above i jist got my full licence and drove my torana for the majority of my p plates never been in a crash and only got pulled up 2 times in it over 3 and a half years and one of those was taking it to get regoed with no plates. As for engineers, drop a hot 6 in which wont need an engineers then an 8 later on.

Doesn't really count because yours was broken half the time lol.

Just kidding mate.

I agree you should get a sh1tter and third party insurance and when you crash it act innocent!

[Potta]

No definitely don't sell it, I don't think anyone meant that!

That would be sh1t advice, just ask anyone who's done it!

[Bigfella237]

I didn't see where anyone suggested you sell the Torana and I don't know you so I don't know anything about your driving, I'm just saying that young guys have a tendancy to think they're bulletproof and can out-drive Brocky, I've been there and done that myself. Everybody thinks it can't happen to them... until it does.

 

Anyway, back to the original question, can P-platers drive modified vehicles?

 

From http://www.rms.nsw.g.../driver/p1.html

 

Prohibited vehicle conditions apply to provisional licence holders to keep novice drivers safe on our roads.

 

From 1 August 2014, a high performance vehicle is defined as a vehicle which:

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•      Has a power to tare mass ratio (PMR) of greater than 130 kilowatts per tonne or
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•      Has had a significant engine modification, or
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•      Is listed in the Roads and Maritime Services document Novice Driver- High Performance Vehicle Restrictions as a high-performance vehicle.

UC Torana's never came out with a V8 option so "old" engine or not, it most definitely has "a significant engine modification",

 

UC Torana's kerb weight is 1157 kg (source), a "VT" prefix blue 5.0 litre had a rated output of 117 kw (source), so by my calculations:

 

1.157 x 117 = 135.4 PMR

 

So modified vehicle debate aside, you're over the limit anyway. I'm sorry that's not the answer you wanted to hear.

Edited by Bigfella237, 21 January 2015 - 08:32 PM.

[Bigfella237]

i did heeps of research a while back and spoke to engineer, all the research said it was ok, and i did the canculations and it was well under?, heres a picture of the same motor as mine, is this the one you are talking about?

 

The power figure I got was for the standard output blue 5.0 litre ("VT" prefix) from a VC/VH Commodore, not the V5H option ("VZ" prefix), which was the high output blue motor used in HDT and pursuit cars.

 

I just looked at another website that quoted the standard output blue 5.0 litre at 124 kw, which is higher again.

[hawk]

You can leave the drop tank with a 202 and why sell the 308? Put it aside for a while then drop it back in, maybe rebuild it while its out.