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Started by _UC Kid_ , Jan 27 2015 10:26 AM
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#1 _UC Kid_

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:26 AM

hey guys dose anyone know what engine came out in the uc hatchback? i read online that it was a 3.3l 6, but dosnt say the exact engine. HELP


#2 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:28 AM

3.3 litre red motor...

And 2.8 litre red motor.

Edited by Bomber Watson, 27 January 2015 - 10:30 AM.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:48 AM

hey bomber, you were right from the start, the rta finally got back to me and said cause its not original motor and the power is over 20% more than orginal, it is prohibited to drive on p's. :( i was just to in love with my 308 that i didnt want to here the truth haha. 

 

so is that 202 red engine??? thanks


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:52 AM

http://www.gumtree.c...head/1064982668


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:14 PM

i rang him and he said he can give me 3 speed trimatic gearbox aswell.


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:37 PM

Prolly not to bad then.

I have a 4 speed manual here with flywheel clutch bellhousing and the like if your interested for $200.

Freight will be pricey.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:59 PM

ohk yeah sounds good, i have a v8 muchie 4 speed gearbox in it at the moment, would the bell housing attachach to the motor'???


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 01:27 PM

No.

As we discussed in your other thread on the same subject you want a 6 cyl gearbox and bellhousing.

You can get a bellhousing to suit the munci but t will cost you $600 or so fpr the bellhousing plus another $500 or so for the custom clutch...

Cheers

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 01:32 PM

ok thanks :)


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:05 PM

Also that engine you linked being in a commodore will have the wrong sump.

You will need a hq sump and oil pickup. Easy to find.

And because you hae a muncie in there now you will need a different tailshaft if you go to an aussie box,which would be easy but because of your 9" a bit harder.

So keep your eyes out for a tailshaft to suit as well.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:06 PM

What about just dropping in a 253 for now, they are cheap to buy and easy to swap plus you can use your gearbox and I'm pretty sure they are P plate legal. Cost to change to 253 would probably be less than trying to replace the 308 with a 202.


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:27 PM

is a 253 a v8? and do you know the kws?? cause if the 253 is more than 20% power than original motor in the torana hatchback ( red 202 i think ) than i cant :/ and if i have to get it engineerd i cant, but if its legal and you think thats cheaper and easier than sure

and also what is a better engine .. 253 or blue 202?? thanks :)



bomber, would it be easier to just go for the 3 speed automatic gearbox he is offering? and get rid of muchie or try keep munchie in? whats your advice? thanks


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:34 PM

just research and the 253 is v8..... it is probally under the PMR, like my blue 308, but cause its v8 and uc's didnt come out with one they dont think it will be legal :/


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:37 PM

Trimatic will be easyer, far gayer though.

You will still need a tailshaft.

Blue 202 will be faster than 253.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:42 PM

hahah yeah i know :/ i rang the guy and he thinks that i could pick up a manuel gearbox to suit it for like 250?, and yeah blue 202 it is, might be going up there to buy it thursday. 


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 03:24 PM

I haven't registered a car in NSW for many years but from what I have heard and read you are probably better off being patient and putting a red motor in it.


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:15 PM

why red and not blue?



oh and also, i spoke before about the bel- housing and attaching that to 6 cyclinder..... i dont know if this is same question but could i get a new bel housing for the munchie to suit the 6?


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:23 PM

No.

As we discussed in your other thread on the same subject you want a 6 cyl gearbox and bellhousing.

You can get a bellhousing to suit the munci but t will cost you $600 or so fpr the bellhousing plus another $500 or so for the custom clutch...

Cheers


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:26 PM

Red vs blue, its a touchy one. 

Technically they had red motors, so a 9 port head, but the UC was also ADR27A so you might run into strife getting any old red motor. 

Ie a red motor out of a HQ (QL prefix) wont have the required emissions control devices. 

 

Only late LX, UC Torana, HZ Holden and VB commodores will have the correct emmisions controls on the red motors. 

 

Bue/black motors have the correct emissions controls as well, and could possibly be classed as a different engine, but I HIGHLY doubt it. I think you would be a lot better off with a blue/black motor than an early pre ADR27A red motor. 

 

Cheers. 


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:42 PM

253 V8 = 185 HP

202 6   = 125 HP

 

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:46 PM

Blue six was a bit more, and a shit tonne lighter. 

 

The EFI black 3.3 vk was quicker down the quarter mile than the 253 variant according to a wheels road test :D


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:52 PM

what is this HP stuff :) they all talk kw these days :)

185=139kw

125=93kw

Probably was only the carb on the emission models that had take offs for the canister and return line from tank to canister.

Think the blues had EGR as well which didn't make it to UC ?

The VK thing is debatable depending on what gearing the 2fity3 had,done a wheels road test once(both auto),2fity3 on top.


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 05:17 PM

Hi pop, The mighty red 202 was 135hp early on when the 253 was 185hp. It would be right that a efi vk (auto only) would beat a 253 vh auto. You could also get a dealer fitted 202 Turbo UC that would put out similar power to the VC, VH,VK,VL, 5liter engines not Brock's, cheers Aaron.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 07:23 PM

Blue 202 was 76 kw, blue 253 was 100kw. Black injected 6 was around 105kw.

 

I suggested a red 202 for a couple of reasons. The factory Stromberg carby is very simple to rebuild and tune making the whole motor a very good one to learn basic mechanics on. Blue/black Varajet carbies are not, and often are replaced with other carbs which would be classified as an illegal modification.

 

Being young, a P plater and driving around in an older vehicle is going to attract a fair share of attention already and I just think it's sensible to give them as little reason as possible to give you a hard time.

 

Pollution red 202s are not that difficult to find (a guy offered me one before Xmas). and can go well enough with a standard carby, as seen in the HQ racing series.


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Posted 28 January 2015 - 03:47 PM

ohk, yeah i see what you  mean now about the red 202's, will look more at them, but i cant seem to find many with a gearbox with it :( because im taking the whole engine out, munchie and all so will need the whole thing :/.


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