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[StephenSLR]

Only an idiot would put a gun that close to a person that they could grab it,....  Try that move from 2 meters, I think not

 

We had in instructor from the US show us a move from 12 metres. It involved a dive roll that gets you close enough to attack and he did stress; it's not something you would do unless you were 100% certain the guy was going to shoot; in other words; you either get shot where the attacker wants to shoot you or take the risk and gets shot somewhere else and if you're lucky, get a chance to defend yourself.

 

Basically; if an attacker is after your wallet or property; always give it to them; let the police catch them later.

 

Martial arts techniques look neat when 'choreographed' in a dojo but in real life situations it's often very messy, the attacker doesn't comply like a training partner. Of course it's better to train than not, especially real life situations so if it does happen you don't freeze or panic as much.

 

I recall a story from a bouncer that's fought and witnessed lots of fights saying the most successful fighters strike first, strike once but strike hard and then run.

 

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[StephenSLR]

at this point in time, my thoughts are with the mechanic and the owner, who if innocent, must be going through hell..... 

 

True and probably very relieved they aren't lying naked in a stainless steel drawer right now.

 

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[StephenSLR]

if you based it on a drop into a sumo stance might help, weight goes down strike goes up

 

I was told due to recoil the bullet tends to track higher in the hands of an inexperienced shooter so a downward movement is the best bet; depending on where they're aiming of course but as I said earlier; if they detect movement and are keen to shoot you have bugger all chance of not getting shot.

 

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[StephenSLR]

shooting is not hard, especially at reasonably close range...

 

True, those techniques would be best performed when the person shifts their concentration, takes their eyes off you, etc.

 

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[EunUCh]

aca not onto yet ?

[Rockoz]

Heard a whisper about this story.

There is a bit of a side story to it.

Will be interesting if it all comes to light in the future.

[Covert]

Must be on drugs why else would you want a Ford

Yep, I think that about sums it up

[StephenSLR]

But adrenalin, the situation around you, etc sure would make it much more of a challenge.

 

Absolutely; I've had some practice at a range and it's challenging to hit a bullseye on a stationary target while you're steady and relaxed. Of course shooting someone up close is a lot easier.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 19 July 2015 - 11:43 AM.

[Rockoz]

Was in a pistol club quite a few years back.

We shot at 25 and 50 metres.

I remember how bad I was even with some great instruction until I got the hang of it.

 

Watched some Police doing their periodic training one day.

They shoot at 10 metres.

Only bulls eye I saw was from a bullet hitting the wrong target.

 

Decided then that if ever I was in trouble and was told stop or i shoot, I would keep running. In a straight line. Zig zag and they might fluke a hit.

 

Like every skill it requires practice to stay proficient.

 

Pointing a gun at a person and pulling the trigger would be an entirely different proposition again.

[StephenSLR]

Watched some Police doing their periodic training one day.They shoot at 10 metres. Only bulls eye I saw was from a bullet hitting the wrong target.

 

After the Columbine massacre the police rep. said the shooter fired mainly head shots; he said his best men couldn't hit with such accuracy; (police are trained to aim at the centre of the body mass). It was discovered the shooter became proficient playing shoot em up video games with a pistol joystick; the more head shots the more points you get. Since then police departments across the USA have incorporated video game style pistol training to increase their officers skills.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 19 July 2015 - 12:54 PM.

[Rockoz]

To be honest at 10 metres most of the cops actually found it hard to even hit the target.

They also shoot 2 handed.

The shooting I did at 25 and 50 metres was single handed.

 

There were exceptions though according to other members who saw them on other days.

This was back in the day of the S&W 5 and 6 shots.

Some of the officers with custom grips could actually shoot well.

Some with custom grips were actually as bad as the others.

I didnt see any good shots.

The only bulls eye of the day came from the guy shooting at the target beside it

[ls2lxhatch]

In Australia the main reason Police officers have a gun is self defense. The most likely scenario is that they would be shooting at the body to disable an attacker at less than 10 meters.

 

You will not pass training if you cannot hit the target. In WA the training is not just shooting at stationary targets.

Edited by ls2lxhatch, 19 July 2015 - 01:52 PM.

[StephenSLR]

To be honest at 10 metres most of the cops actually found it hard to even hit the target.

 

They are trained to shoot at the centre of mass; if the person is rolled up in a ball they aim for the centre of the ball.  They are also trained to keep shooting at the centre of mass till the threat has dissipated. In other words if the target doesn't stop advancing/attacking you just keep shooting until they do.

 

Often there's arguments such as, 'why didn't they shoot for the leg'. Firstly they're likely to miss; secondly it may not stop the target from doing what they intend on doing.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 19 July 2015 - 01:51 PM.