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[Potta]

As some of you are aware, I've been trying to get my LC GTR registered for quite a while now.

 

They have hit me with a lot of stuff, all of which I have happily complied with and fixed as requested.

 

I had a new inspection this time, because my last reinspection was in Feb, so that means they are able to pick on new stuff.

 

One thing they have picked up is that my car does not have a handbrake warning light.

 

The ADR's relevant to my car are 2, 3, 4, 5A, 7, 10A, 15, 20 (4/71 LC GTR).

 

None of them mention anything about a hand brake warning light.

 

I told them that my car never had one, but they said, there is a spot on the dash for it so it must have.

 

We all know this is bull, they all had the spot for the light, doesn't mean it was active right?

 

Also I have an LJ dash in the car, so their point is irrelevant.

 

My question is, if its not in a relevant ADR, can they still enforce it?

 

 

[ls2lxhatch]

If the car does not have any modifications that require engineering then it only has to comply with the ADR's listed on the compliance plate.

 

I would probably easier to just wire up a temporary warning light than it will be to win an argument with a bureaucrat.

 

You could try showing them the following pages from the LC and LJ Torana Parts Catalogue. Page 251 of the LJ Parts Catalogue includes the handbrake switch. There is no mention of the switch in the LC Parts Catalogue.

 

It may be worth sending an email with the attached pictures to the Perth Technical Section [email protected] explaining the situation. Include the work order details.

 

 

 

[S pack]

As said above it only has to comply with the ADR's listed on the compliance plate.

Maybe print out copies of the relevant ADR's and take them with you to the next inspection. If they still claim you must have the Park Brake Warning Lamp then ask them to show you the relevant ADR involved.

 

Your car has the Brake Fail Warning Lamp, it was std equipment on all Holden vehicles built on and from 1/01/1971 however there is no ADR requirement that I can find for this warning system until ADR 31 in 1977.

Edited by S pack, 30 September 2015 - 07:46 AM.

[Dr Terry]

I'm not familiar with WA laws, but in NSW the car only has to comply with the ADRs of when it was built, unless the car is modified in some way, (V8 conversion etc.)

 

Having said that, the other thing that applies is, if an item is fitted to a car it must work. You say you have an LJ cluster fitted, if so & it has a handbrake light set-up fitted (not just a lens) it must work.

 

It's a bit like mirrors or seatbelt on older Holdens. If you have say have an external mirror or seatbelts fitted to an FC, they must be in roadworthy condition, even though they were not required legally on that model. If the seatbelt is torn or the mirror smashed, it's not legal. If however, they were removed as though they were never fitted, no problems.

 

Dr Terry

[Potta]

Awesome, thanks so much for the pics and info guys.

 

As usual, looks like I'm right, but can't win anyway 

 

It is going to be easier to do what they want and move on.

 

I'm too old to fight pointless battles.

 

Also with Dr Terry's point above, I think I'm screwed anyway.

 

That will be their argument for sure.

[Dr Terry]

On another point, I always thought that in LC, the SLs & GTRs had a handbrake light as standard, just like all Premiers & GTSs etc.

But it appears not, the LC parts book only lists an accessory package & the various spare parts in Sec. 4.610.

 

Dr Terry

[S pack]

On another point, I always thought that in LC, the SLs & GTRs had a handbrake light as standard, just like all Premiers & GTSs etc.

Dr Terry

Correct Dr Terry.

 

Handbrake warning lamp was std equipment on HB SL & Brabham models and LC/LJ SL, GTR & GTR XU1.

Edited by S pack, 30 September 2015 - 01:11 PM.

[RallyRed]

FYI if it helps Craig,

 

My 10/70 LC GTR has the switch mounted at the hand brake, on the tunnel.

I clearly recall back in 1975 that my first LC GTR ( 1970 model, unsure of the month ) had the same switch. As per Dave and the Dr's comments above.

 

I remember the old one in 1974 as it did exactly what the one I have now does ..i.e if the handbrake is fully off, then the light is on. The lever needs to be up on the first click of the ratchet to be off, then once up any higher it is on ,as it should be. Prob just an adjustment required, but thats not the point.

 

Both cars were/are quite original, so not sure how that matches up with the doco above. Prob just Holdens doco not being perfect?

[S pack]

Craig, have you tested the brake fail warning light to ensure the bulb is working?

[Potta]

Craig, have you tested the brake fail warning light to ensure the bulb is working?

Not yet but I will.

[red6]

I have one of the said switches which I fitted to my 71 S. It didn't come with one standard. Nor did my previous 70 S.

 

Anyway... mine works as described below, I think its quite common - and may be a problem you encounter Potta. Easiest fix is to insulate the lower part with some electrical tape to stop it earthing out.

 

I remember the old one in 1974 as it did exactly what the one I have now does ..i.e if the handbrake is fully off, then the light is on. The lever needs to be up on the first click of the ratchet to be off, then once up any higher it is on ,as it should be. Prob just an adjustment required, but that's not the point.

[madtoranajzedded]

i did the same thing bud when i bought another  std lc loom and upgraded that to Gtr.also included  the brake fail wiring into harness to run

discs sometime in future

[Dr Terry]

also included  the brake fail wiring into harness to run discs sometime in future

The brake fail warning light switch was fitted to all the late LCs, no matter whether they had drums or discs.

 

Dr Terry

[madtoranajzedded]

yeah the Harness i purchased was the early one Dr Terry   

[S pack]

I have one of the said switches which I fitted to my 71 S. It didn't come with one standard. Nor did my previous 70 S.

Anyway... mine works as described below, I think its quite common - and may be a problem you encounter Potta. Easiest fix is to insulate the lower part with some electrical tape to stop it earthing out.

The fix should be as simple as adjusting the bracket so the ring connector doesn't make contact with the bracket. Most likely the bracket has suffered some abuse over the years and has been bent out of its original shape.