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Spotting a restamped LC, LJ engine block

Started by _Skapinad_ , Dec 15 2015 03:25 PM

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#351 S pack

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:06 PM

Keep the photos coming spack and x looks to big and wrong font.

See, you don't need to know the block cast date or the Pattern number to pick a restamp.

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#352 _threeblindmice_

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:27 PM

XR8250 , the photo Ranger71 put up for the thread , how do you know it's a genuine XU1 engine ?

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#353 _ChaosWeaver_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 07:13 AM

but if i was buying a JP block and ( i know the cast dates) i would ONLY buy one with a 3.

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This suggests that you have reasons for only buying a 3. Can you share your reasoning's with us ??

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 07:42 AM

Simple, Genuine JP 202 blocks only have a 3 on the side ! ! ! This I am 100% certain of. The 186 3100X & CK blocks I am uncertain and need to do further research. How,s the research with CAMS coming along Ian ?

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 07:51 AM

Simple, Genuine JP 202 blocks only have a 3 on the side ! ! ! This I am 100% certain of.

So you have seen every genuine JP 202 block ever cast by GM-H? 100% of ~~20%~~ 10% more like it.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:02 AM

Lets see, so far you have 0% accuracy picking restamps from 202 pads ! ! !

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:25 AM

Lets see, so far you have 0% accuracy picking restamps from 202 pads ! ! !

And who is the ~~wanker~~ one that couldn't see the 5 in Keith's engine number has the BANANA. The font of all the other numbers/letters in Keith's engine number are also correct.

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#358 _ChaosWeaver_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:40 AM

Simple, Genuine JP 202 blocks only have a 3 on the side ! ! ! This I am 100% certain of. The 186 3100X & CK blocks I am uncertain and need to do further research. How,s the research with CAMS coming along Ian ?

OK, But what is it that makes you 100% certain of this... is it just the vibe... or do you have proof other than your own conclusion's ??..

The Research, as I'm sure your aware leads nowhere ..... I have looked very hard for any info, and have not even found a link to anything related to Cast Dates, Single or Dual, accept or this thread being listed ... if you can give me a link to a starting point, I will be happy to keep researching... cheers Ian

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 09:32 AM

Simple, Genuine JP 202 blocks only have a 3 on the side ! ! ! This I am 100% certain of. The 186 3100X & CK blocks I am uncertain and need to do further research. How,s the research with CAMS coming along Ian ?

As I said, my 3100X block has been tested for authenticity, which it passed without question, and has a 2 on the side. So there is the answer to that part of your uncertainty.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 09:39 AM

I did find this......... Pretty interesting reading ... http://www.gmh-toran...lock-different/

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 11:26 AM

XR8250 , the photo Ranger71 put up for the thread , how do you know it's a genuine XU1 engine ?

Just been informed that 186P have cast dates of E1,F1,G1and H1 finish at 186P64#### here is a 186P464015.

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#362 _xr8250_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 11:47 AM

Att 3blindmice Ranger71's CK engine number font and build date look the goods and at the end of day that is that counts.

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#363 _threeblindmice_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 12:32 PM

From memory John Gong put up a set of CK Build dates about five years ago , did anyone get a copy I wasn't interested at that time .

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 01:27 PM

Has this thread got any info Bruce?

http://www.gmh-toran...e-5#entry405679

From memory John Gong put up a set of CK Build dates about five years ago , did anyone get a copy I wasn't interested at that time .

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 02:10 PM

One of the restamps at the nationals today

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 02:12 PM

They got a hide Adam hey.

stuck their neck out too far.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 02:28 PM

Hi Bruce (threeblindmice),

Check this thread post 9

http://www.gmh-toran...lock-different/

Cheers Brian

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#368 _threeblindmice_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 02:30 PM

Thanks Dave it was a good read , but nothing about date codes , I think his post was a reply in the for sale section .

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 02:54 PM

JP103 is an easy one, but what happens when the restampers and fraudsters do a little research and get the correct stamps ? That's why I like being 2 steps ahead of them. The black 1973 Bathurst XU-1 at the 2012 nationals was the only wake up call I needed, it had them all fooled.............

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#370 _Skapinad_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 03:05 PM

As I said, my 3100X block has been tested for authenticity, which it passed without question, and has a 2 on the side. So there is the answer to that part of your uncertainty.

What sort of test did you have performed ?

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#371 _threeblindmice_

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 03:17 PM

Thanks Brian , I was getting my blocks mixed up , Mine is not September as earlier stated but a 19G1.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 05:23 PM

JP103 is an easy one, but what happens when the restampers and fraudsters do a little research and get the correct stamps ? That's why I like being 2 steps ahead of them. The black 1973 Bathurst XU-1 at the 2012 nationals was the only wake up call I needed, it had them all fooled.............

Yeah sure Bruce you are so full of it.

They would have had to work for GMH or a Dealer to get their grubby little fingers on a set of the correct stamps. Therefore there would not be very many people out there with the correct stamp sets.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:24 PM

To be honest it would not be that difficult to get a set of stamps made up with the correct font.

In fact anyone with a bit of nouce could do it in their workshop.

Just thinking out loud here so to speak.

Is the controversy about the dual stamps being forwarded because some might then have further reason for cars not in the 150 to be classified as being in the same class?

I remember reading a long winded thread on that subject a while back.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 07:12 PM

Just been informed that 186P have cast dates of E1,F1,G1and H1 finish at 186P64#### here is a 186P464015.

Cheers

What would they have put all those E1, F1, G1 and H1 cast 186P engines in?

Production of HG passenger vehicles would have ceased around the end of May 1971 and the HQ was released in mid July 1971.

Only HG ute and van continued in production after HQ passenger vehicle release and those HG commercial vehicles were fitted with 173 and 202 engines not 161 and 186.

GM-H must have wanted to build up stocks of complete 186P production engines for warranty replacement perhaps?

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:39 PM

Doubt it, they'd be Nasco engines for Warranty thus not 186P or 186L. GMH stockpiled all required 253H, 253L and 308H for HG and for South African Chev SS prior to the start of HQ engine priduction. You'd think whatever 186 was required for that purpose would be built prior to that too, but obviously not many as more were needed for LC and again for early Holden within a few years.