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[StephenSLR]

 "Giant Killer" is a way better handle than some dumb muscle car name

 

This is the difference; it didn't need straight out muscle to win races. The Pony cars were tough looking, won races and you didn't see pony car owners in the US feel threatened that their cars aren't classed as muscle cars; they realise it was a certain car released in a certain era although now with the newly released Hellcats etc. this debate is going on in the US as to which new car is now a muscle car; the newer generation over there have also grown up using the word muscle interchangeably with their street machines.

 

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[Shiney005]

Cost and reliability ......  drifting is frocking hard on motors  


Try and get more HP per litre than a JZ2 .............

(National Dragster Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) It was way back in 1988 when I first calculated that Eddie Hill's Top Fuel record-setting 5.066 run at the Gatornationals required just more than 4,000 horsepower. That started a string of National Dragster articles on this topic, last showing 8,000 horsepower for Doug Kalitta's 4.486 at 333.91 mph in Houston in 2003. Antron Brown currently holds the e.t. record with a run of 3.701 seconds at 328.78 mph,(530 KPH) set in October 2012 in Reading. Today, we have an engine-dyno sheet for the Matco Tools Top Fuel dragster clearly showing more than 10,000 horsepower and at least 7,400 foot-pounds of torque.

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[yel327]

Maybe Byron . .  but the Japs dont fuk around.....  1 litre motor cycle engines pumping out 270 rwhp ... translate that into 6.0 ltr...   Nissan skyline 600+HP easy, Toyota JZ1/2 1000HP easy .....  6 cylinders are perfect, just ask Jaguar..  XJ220 = 6 cylinder....  like I said V8's sound great, but if you wan't to go fast, go 6 cylinder.. and if you want to go real fast, weld two of em together, and go V12......  and wave bye bye .......................  

 

It is all relative though. The reason turbo Jap cars get so much hp is cubic capacity. Turbo plus big boost = huge increase in effective cc/ci. Take a 7.0L LS engine and give it mild boost via a blower or turbo(s). It'll produce similar hp, more torque and do it with more reliability than a screaming 6cyl of half the size. I don't think it matters much how many cyl there are, it is all about cubes (or effective cubes once you whack on a blower).
 

[StephenSLR]

Nothing makes me sadder (pissed off) than people (other Aussies) not giving Australia's engineer's the credit they deserve

I don't care what label you give Aussie car's .......   They are still some of the fastest touring cars in the World ...... hands down     

 

No dispute here. I recall international racers would come here to check out Bathurst but only the very determined would stick with it; Moffat being one. Many would just look at the race track and say, 'you Australians are mad'.

 

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[N/A-PWR]

Hi John,

 

Torana = Muscle Car Killers.

 

That's what we shall call Toranas' from now on

 

 

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[StephenSLR]

I don't know if they thought it was a old Skyline or if they realised it was our own Aussie super car

 

I walked into a chemist and the Asian pharmacist behind the counter spotted my Toranafest t-shirt and mentioned he bought an LH after a long search for a good one. Another time an Indian guy stopped me at the servo and chatted about my LX; he filled up behind me and was driving a rather nice Gemini.

 

Asians that appreciate Toranas are definitely out there.

 

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[yel327]

I remember driving through the city with a mate in his XU1 and a couple of Asians mabey Japanese saw the GTR XU1 decals and said ahh GTR GTR, it was a pisser I don't know if they thought it was a old Skyline or if they realized it was our own Aussie super car much better then there's from the same era.

 

I laughed when I looked at the Toyota 86's (almost bought one for my wife until I drove the gutless wonder)!

 

The lux levels are GT and GTS. GTS is the better one!

 

[RallyRed]

ha ha Yel...we also liked the road test raves about the 86. Went for a test drive down the Central Coast in one....goodness me, it desperately needs a turbo or something. At the time we looked, it was a 6m wait anyway.

[Indy Orange]

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Edited by Indy Orange, 20 December 2015 - 12:12 PM.

[Indy Orange]

I remember driving through the city with a mate in his XU1 and a couple of Asians mabey Japanese saw the GTR XU1 decals and said ahh GTR GTR, it was a pisser I don't know if they thought it was a old Skyline or if they realized it was our own Aussie super car much better then there's from the same era.

Same thing happened to me but they were laughing.

[yel327]

ha ha Yel...we also liked the road test raves about the 86. Went for a test drive down the Central Coast in one....goodness me, it desperately needs a turbo or something. At the time we looked, it was a 6m wait anyway.

 

We had even paid a deposit, but it was refunded after we got to drive one. It was replacing the CV8.

 

Despite the lack of power, it was also totally manual seats, whereas the CV8 moved its seat to suit whomever's key unlocked it. The seats were not an easy adjustment, they had to be pumped up and down. That really turned me off it as a daily driver.

 

Plus it was totally awful to get in and out of. I've never had a Holden or Torana that was hard to actually get out of at a carpark. The CV8 you'd easily pull into a normal carpark, crack the door open and swing your legs out. HK-HX coupe are the same as are LX hatches This one was like a new Camaro, you had to fully open the door to get out but in a carpark the door only opened halfway or you'd hit the car next to you. The 86 was the same. The only Holdens I've ever had trouble with were HQ-WB auto ute or tonner with standard steering wheel, and on those i'd just replace the auto pedal with a manual one and it was easier - it didn't grab your boot as bad as you got in. Sedans and panel vans I put different seats in that rolled back further for more legroom Even my SII RX7 was easy. I guess being 6'5" doesn't help, but still my mrs is only 5'9" and had the same trouble with the 86 as I did.

 

[RallyRed]

the answer to the original question is in this old promo , between 08:28 and 09:00.

 

 

Some other old stuff later on, as well.