226 replies to this topic

[IMORAL]

SL 2 door with a V8 in it cos I prefer to go fast

[lx308]

Same as you Skap.

[Ice]

Same as you Skap.

Ditto

[xu2308]

Ummmmm they are both XU1's   so it dose not matter really 

[71xu1]

A car with all three tags.

[kiwi-lilj]

I would prefer 3 tags. I think a cloud will always hang over a car missing a tag but a old car no longer having it's original engine is quite normal.

I would really prefer an S with no tags though and keep the change.

[yel327]

Depends on the asking price. For the exact same condition and price i'd rather the 3 tag car with non original engine, and i'd pull the engine out and put a 308 in it.

[wild orchid]

don't forget they would rip the adr tag off all cars entering new Zealand.i always wonded if they kept them all in a box somewhere

[yel327]

don't forget they would rip the adr tag off all cars entering new Zealand.i always wonded if they kept them all in a box somewhere

 

Cars built for sale in NZ didn't get a compliance/ADR tag in the first place. Or do you mean used ones or dealer swaps coming over? 

[wild orchid]

used and private imports

[Bazza]

Hi

 

There are many examples of 000-X cars exported with the ADR tag still attached.  It is true however that most didn't. Equally, there are cars that are still in NZ that were imported privately that have the original ADR tag in place.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

Edited by Bazza, 11 February 2016 - 12:41 PM.

[yel327]

Why then did the one i brought back have the ADR plate on it ?? it was a 000 export car.

 

check out the spot it should be on the gold car currently on trademe.... almost looks like its had rivets put in and a bunch of putty smeared across it.  there was a tag on this car I reckon at some point in time..

 

bear in mind that the gold car is listed as a NSW dealer and then apparently when to PNG prior to NZ, the tag was surely there from the factory.

 

XU1 009.jpg

 

Can you tell me at what point the dealer number is assigned to a vehicle? is it when the dealer orders the vehicle ?  or sells the vehicle ? or registers the vehicle ? etc... ?

 

000 isn't a dealer code, it just means nothing was entered into the credited selling dealer code field, but in an old IBM system you have to have a character in each field and 0 is the default. Normally the export cars have an X in the zone office column. At some point (around 1973-ish) GMH started using 200 series codes for internal and export, but they were just about all 000 prior to that.

 

As Wild Orchid has said the ADR tags were removed when they entered NZ, I bet that is what has happened with this car.

 

The whole dealer chain was recorded in the IBM for each car, so ordering dealer, wholesaling dealer, and the credited selling dealer and maybe others. On the Service/Warranty reports it is normally the credited selling dealer that is included as that is all that mattered for warranty purposes. But this is only one example of a report. If you look at other reports printed out of the IBM, for example the A9X pre-production report run in 1983-ish that is reproduced in Eric Blair's book, it shows ordering, Wholesaling and I think predicted selling dealer (whoever ran the report in 1983 didn't update the report key/request to show actual credited selling dealer). In theory if we ever find the original data and manage to get it read by a modern IBM machine you should be able to run any report you want, including the ordering and wholesaling dealer codes for all 1960's and 1970's GMH vehicles. But I think we have more chance of winning the lottery!

Edited by yel327, 11 February 2016 - 12:56 PM.

[yel327]

Hi

 

There are many examples of 000-X cars exported with the ADR tag still attached.  It is true however that most didn't. Equally, there are cars that are still in NZ that were imported privately that have the original ADR tag in place.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

 

I've reckon those sold new there with ADR tags may well have been dealer swaps or otherwise vehicles NZ dealers have accessed out of plant stock and then the cars were shipped across to them. I don't know how many times I've had people swear they or their uncle or their cousin or whatever "ordered" their new Holden fitted with this, that and the other and picked it up two weeks later! Not possible. I'd bet these NZ cars with ADR tags are this. What has happened is the dealer looks up plant stock, finds something close to or the same as what has been asked for and gets it for the customer, adding the options themselves, like dealer fitted A/C. Most cars sold new are like this. Or the extreme case like the guy I know with a HJ Kingswood ute "ordered" by his grandfather with L31, M41, LSD, air, steer, U17 instruments and console shift. An impossible combination outside of Styling/Engineering. Once we looked closely the dealer has grabbed a 308 auto Kingswood Sandman ute out of plant stock, swapped the whole nose/guards off a yellow Kingswood ute/sedan/wagon, swapped the wheels and tyres, painted over the black sills and beaver and added dealer fitted side strips to the doors and quarters to match the guards. Voila a Kingswood ute as he wanted, picked up a few weeks later!

Edited by yel327, 11 February 2016 - 12:58 PM.

[yel327]

No. Cars actually built for sale in NZ, as in cars specifically entered into the production schedule for export would get no ADR tag. Those that were already built for sale in Australia and then exported to NZ out of GMH stock would have an ADR tag, that is how i'd explain some having an ADR tag. Remember that something like 80-90% of all GMH vehicles sold were originally entered into the schedule as stock, very few were ordered. The same happens today, try buying something out of the ordinary. When I ordered my VY SS ute in December 2002, it was pretty standard: white manual but with black leather trim. I didn't get it until May 2003 but I could have had one with normal trim within a week in most colours.

[IMORAL]

Just buy the frOcking thing instead of collecting numbers ya wombat.

[Ice]

Just buy the frOcking thing instead of collecting numbers ya wombat.

Pmsl

[Collo]

I've reckon those sold new there with ADR tags may well have been dealer swaps or otherwise vehicles NZ dealers have accessed out of plant stock and then the cars were shipped across to them. I don't know how many times I've had people swear they or their uncle or their cousin or whatever "ordered" their new Holden fitted with this, that and the other and picked it up two weeks later! Not possible. I'd bet these NZ cars with ADR tags are this. What has happened is the dealer looks up plant stock, finds something close to or the same as what has been asked for and gets it for the customer, adding the options themselves, like dealer fitted A/C. Most cars sold new are like this. Or the extreme case like the guy I know with a HJ Kingswood ute "ordered" by his grandfather with L31, M41, LSD, air, steer, U17 instruments and console shift. An impossible combination outside of Styling/Engineering. Once we looked closely the dealer has grabbed a 308 auto Kingswood Sandman ute out of plant stock, swapped the whole nose/guards off a yellow Kingswood ute/sedan/wagon, swapped the wheels and tyres, painted over the black sills and beaver and added dealer fitted side strips to the doors and quarters to match the guards. Voila a Kingswood ute as he wanted, picked up a few weeks later!

That would be Dave's one? 

[yel327]

That would be Dave's one? 

 

That's it. Built by GMH as close to the most desirable of all Sandmans (HJ Kingswood L31 M41 etc) but sold new by the dealer as a Kingswood.

[Collo]

Yeah he was telling me the story when I was over there one time before he moved. 

 

Wonder how many other cars like this are out there... 

[jd lj]

The NZ LC Torana that I know of has no adr tag but there's indentations where the holes would be drilled or punched if one was fitted. It looks like this is the way these panels were pressed when made.

I'd prefer all the tags and a non original engine myself.