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Started by dattoman , Oct 20 2009 01:52 AM
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Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:36 PM

G'day one and all. I hope i'm in the right spot here- I'm not to familiar with forums and how they work.

Thought I would intorduce myself and my ongoing LC project

I have a LC 2 door (ongoing project) and was wondering if someone is able to identify the car. Unforntunately, I only have the ADR plate (other two plates are missing) that states that it is a 2 Door, built 4/71 and a chassis number LC27991A. The LC27991A number corresponds with the number on the inner guard. From my limited understanding; I believe that the car was built in Adelaide.

Apart from that it has fluted guards(welded in), GTR dash and a tare weight of 960kg( that was obtained from the last rego papers in 2006).

What other key factors are used to identify GTR's or XU1's?????????????

I bought the car from a friend of a friend who told me that the car was used for circuit racing at some stage and has a had the driveline changed when set up for racing. When I intially got the car it was running the same motor and box that is in the car now but was running a 350 holley and extractors. Because it was an unfinished project when I bought it (and is still unfinished now!) the previous owner had grand plans for the car and had aquired a very rare strata turbo kit that he planned on fitting to the car.

The car now sports a 202 (+60", roller rockers, modified head, electronic dizzy, high volume sump blah,blah blah!) with a blow through Strata TO4 turbo (that was available through Holden dealerships on UC toranas as well as VB/C Commodores),40mm del'lortto side draught carby, 2.5" inch exhaust system from turbo back, Aussie 4 speed, and 80ltr drop tank. I am hoping to keep the turbo set up for nostalgic purposes as they are ultra rare these days. Apart from that I have repainted the car blue, bought a set of 16" chrome rims and bought a custom interior that was originally in a genuime XU1 that the owner was restoring back to original (both bought through ebay)

The car has obviously been pretty heavily modified over the years but any help in identification would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:10 PM

Hi Mr C

Welcome to the forum.

Being an Adelaide built car, and since you have the ADR tag, there is a high likelihood that the last few digits of the VIN are scribed onto the underside of the tag. If you are prepared to remove the tag, it may be possible to identify the VIN and hence the model. You can PM me if you don't want to disclose this info on the forum.

There is not much point going into the key indicators of a GTR or XU-1 as these features are often duplicated.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 04:57 PM

Thanks for your help. I tried replying using an Ipad with no success.
I have replied PM to your email account.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 05:10 PM

Thanks for your help. I tried replying using an Ipad with no success.
I have replied PM to your email account.

Mr C




Hi Mr C

Message received and response sent

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 05:51 AM

Hi Everyone,

This is the second time I have put this out there, though it was inconclusive, Thanks Bazza.

I have a 2dr LC, 9/70 with most of the fruit,unfortunatly the motors not original and the
Tags are missing off the front , though the adr plate near the firewall is there.

I have taken the plate off to hopefully identify the vehicle.
I have deciphered the numbers the best I could.

Again the chassis number is LC 15027B with matching adr numbers.
Burnished Bronze, Black interior, Headers, 3.36 lsd diff, 4spd, 17 gal tank
triple strommys etc etc

The numbers were written in red and near impossible to read,
There are 4 which are; 1656 (not 100% on the last 2)

Fingers crossed the numbers Dont represent the paint code which I have read in a few forums
about Brissy vehicles of late.

Any help will be appreciated

Thanks in advance


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:24 AM

Hi Everyone,

This is the second time I have put this out there, though it was inconclusive, Thanks Bazza.

I have a 2dr LC, 9/70 with most of the fruit,unfortunatly the motors not original and the
Tags are missing off the front , though the adr plate near the firewall is there.

I have taken the plate off to hopefully identify the vehicle.
I have deciphered the numbers the best I could.

Again the chassis number is LC 15027B with matching adr numbers.
Burnished Bronze, Black interior, Headers, 3.36 lsd diff, 4spd, 17 gal tank
triple strommys etc etc

The numbers were written in red and near impossible to read,

Sorry I ve misread the numbers , Theres three ...... XU1 ???


Back to the drawing board!


Venny


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:02 AM

Hi Venny

Establishing the VIN from the scribed characters on the reverse side of the ADR tag only works with Adelaide built cars.

Unfortunately the characters on the reverse of the ADR tag on the Brisbane built cars don't relate to the VIN but to the Body Number. Since Brisbane had only 1 sequence for the Body Numbers that included all models, the number that you have quoted gives us no info about the car in question.

It is more likely that certain physical features of the car that you are looking at will point to whether it is a GTR or XU-1.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 11:02 AM

Hi Bazza,


Shattered that Im not able to pin point the vin number considering the plates could be on the market at any time and I pass them up cos
I got no idea what Im lookin at??
Too bad eh

Yeah I think I just pulled that number out of fresh air, the harder I looked at the plate the more numbers I saw, haha should lay off the port eh,
Just out of curiosity can you tell me if there were any Burnside Bronze XU1s built in sept 1970?

Thanks again


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 11:24 AM

Hi Venny

There seems to be no public record as to the number of each colour produced. The 3100x XU-1s were only available in Rally Red, LinaMint, Yellow Dolly and Plumdinger but that is not to say that someone may have asked for a special order Burnished Bronze one to be produced. Burnished Bronze was fairly common in GTRs.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:49 PM

hi venny,if your torana still has the original hood lining in the car remove the interior light , sunvisors and windscreen.peel the lining back and you will see the numbers 82911 in black texter.if your car has this it could be original.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 08:50 AM

Hi u1 71,

Yes it does have the original hood lining, though it has seen better days. Theres no problems taking off the visors and int light but removing the
widscreen is out of the question, its on a transporter to Perth in the next few weeks.

I will tear the lining if could you give me a rough area to look without ripping everything out?

Cheers


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 07:52 PM

hi guys mate has a 2 door lj he wants to know what he has gtr or xu1 or just a 2 door car is missing trim tag etc has got small thin one 8d11pcl221684j what does all that mean also has vin tag alj15820a 11/72 and same vin number on inner gaurd left hand side also what do all the numbers mean 1,2,3,4,5a,7,8,10a,11,12,14,15,20,22,25,26 how can you tell what colour this car was as it has been totaly paintstriped and we cant find any colour and trim colour etc any help would be great cheers

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:08 PM

Same question you asked 2 yrs ago


http://www.gmh-toran.../34131-numbers/

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 04:43 AM

Yeah sorry it is just couldn't find it cheers ;)

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 08:19 AM

Hi brocky_2006

The numbers 1 through to 26 are the specifications of the Australian Design Rules that the car would have been required to meet as at the date of production. For example: ADR 1 relates to Reversing Signal Lamps 10A. Steering Columns 22 Head Restraints. For further info Google "Australian Design Rules".

The VIN plate details are as follows in the pic below

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:29 AM

Cheers how do I find out what colour it was the link you gave me?

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 03:29 PM

Hi

The only records that specify the original colour are the Broadcast Sheet or the Body Identification tag - neither of which you have. In the thread a few years ago, didn't you say that the seller said it was originally white? If so, the car would have been Glacier White which was the only standard LJ white at the time.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 05:00 PM

Why don't you pull out the rear parcel shelf and also the rear seat door cards the colour should be visible in there ? My car was sprayed three times and the lime green metalic is still everywhere !

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 05:45 AM

It's bare as they come the shell nothing in the car at all and blasted but yes the guy did say it was white but that's just what some one told him but by the sounds of it glacier white was the colour,he has a huge task to fix the car it badly came with anything

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 05:48 AM

Hardly came with anything

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 10:26 AM

HI all

Is somebody able to verify these numbers?

VIN ALJ06406A
Build Date 05/72
Engine JP103389
Body 518-A
Trim 1843-40X
Paint 567-13885

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:12 PM

Hi Glenn

All that can be said from the numbers supplied is that the Body Number and Chassis Number are from the same period (late May '72). Going by the Body Number, there is a high likelihood that the car is a GTR or an XU-1 BUT the engine number supplied is from a late Jan or early Feb '72 XU-1. The Body ID tag indicates Dublin Green Met. with black interior.

The VIN tag info is required for a positive identification.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:26 PM

Hi Bazza,

apparently the vehicle does not have a vin tag.

thanks anyway mate.

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Edited by r2160, 10 November 2011 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:38 PM

Hi Glenn

Do you know if it came from the Wagga area? Does it have an ADR tag?

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:41 PM

Hi bazza,

Apparently, those are all the details that are available on the vehicle. I gather the car is currently in melbourne, but not 100% sure

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