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[Bazza]

Hi David

 

The original seller of your car was Geissler Motors - 279 Auburn St, Goulburn NSW. From the VIN disc we can say that your car left the factory in standard GTR configuration.  Any options were generally fitted by the selling dealer and as a result do not appear on the GMH records.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[lcgtrrob]

Hi Peter

The Chassis Number will not match any other number on a 1969 vehicle. Prior to 1/1/70, no ADR compliance plate was required. After that date however, the Chassis Number appeared twice - on the ADR plate and stamped on the inner guard. When you provide the Chassis Number, I can say to a high degree of certainty whether or not it matches timewise with the VIN and Body Number.

Holden did not record what VIN went with what Body Number and with what Chassis Number, so the best that we can do is compare a given set of numbers with a database of known good sets of numbers.

As mentioned, tags are only half the story. It is well known that genuine GTR tags have been fitted to "S" model bodies so it is imperative that all the "GTR" features appear on a car purported to be genuine. From this point of view someone that has a good understanding of these features, and the knowledge to spot the few features that can't be convincingly faked, should take a look at the car.

Cheers

Bazza

 

 

gidday Bazza or anybody else who might know,

i have a 69 gtr and the chassis number matches the number on the body id plate,after reading the above text it seems like it shouldn't match.

 

thanks Rob

Edited by lcgtrrob, 12 April 2013 - 09:26 PM.

[Bazza]

Hi Rob

 

It's not that the Chassis Number and Body Number shouldn't match - it's the fact that they don't have to match. It is more evident early in a production series that sometimes the Chassis Number and Body Number are close. The Chassis Number and Body Number are allocated at different times - so if they do match, it is merely a coincidence.

 

I am guessing that your car is Brisbane built?

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[lcgtrrob]

thanks for clearing that up Bazza,and yes it is Brisbane built at the end of september 1969.

 

thanks again

[RallyRed]

....while it's well established that Holden didn't seem to record what went with what....bodies, chassis, engines...it STILL amazes me that they didn't. I understand that there were engine plants and productions plants and all that...but it still amazes me that one of the biggest industries in the country, seemed to , randomly assembled stuff.

[S pack]

....while it's well established that Holden didn't seem to record what went with what....bodies, chassis, engines...it STILL amazes me that they didn't. I understand that there were engine plants and productions plants and all that...but it still amazes me that one of the biggest industries in the country, seemed to , randomly assembled stuff.

Yeah, I suppose it just didn't seem that important back then to record all of the vehicles numbers, or maybe it was just the modern cumbersome antiquated computer system they were using back in those days.

[RallyRed]

yeah...I guess the end game of a car company is to SELL CARS....anything else is just bye the bye

[lcgtrrob]

it would be a lot easier if all the numbers matched though

[joeseph]

Looks like 82911CH171021 has popped up for sale recently, I'm a bit confused though (it happens often...) - the number stamped on LH guard is LC15234B, presume this is the chassis number referred to below? It's sporting a 3.8V6 these days, might go and have a look at it & try and talk the accountant into letting some funds come avail. I had a LJ GTR once upon a time, although probably have forgotten what makes them different from the ordinary S models (it's been 30 years!)

 

 

Hi Tim

Welcome to the forums.

This VIN (82911CH171021) relates to a Brisbane built GTR completed on 14/9/70. It was used internally by GMH Brisbane hence no engine number is recorded. The engine number that you have provided is not the original which would commence with 2600S followed by 229xx. The original body colour was Kashmir White and the interrior was black vinyl.

The Body Number 10439-B is consisent with the VIN and build date, but you have not provided the Chassis Number as a further cross check. The Chassis Number appears on the ADR tag (if fitted) and stamped on the inner guard on the passenger side.

PM me with the Chassis Number and your email address if you would like a screen-shot of the VIN disc entry.

Cheers

Bazza

[Bazza]

Hi Joseph

 

Yes - the Chassis Number is the same as I was given last year.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[joeseph]

Thanks Bazza! much appreciated.

[Bazza]

Hi Evan

 

Welcome to the forums.

 

This car left the factory as a GTR. There were no XU-1s built during the middle of Sept '70 at the Brisbane plant.

 

The VIN 82911CH171021 - the "H1" part denotes Brisbane

The Body Number - 10439-B - the "B" denotes Brisbane

The Chassis Number LC15234B - the "B" denotes Brisbane

 

All numbers accord with a mid Sept '70 Brisbane production.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[joeseph]

there's also a very tidy looking car popped up as being "a matching numbers GTR" that could be worth a look

 

as per advert:

VIN: 8D11LCL226137J
Engine: JL263425
Head: 2811930
Model: LJ82911
Body No: 1361-A
Trim: 1846-48 X
Paint: 567-13888
Number on Chasis Rail: ALJ17200
Build Date: 12/72

 

at NZ$19.5K it's already reached reserve (and well outside my price-range :-( ) hope it goes to a good home...

[Bazza]

Hi

 

All the numbers look fine.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[r2160]

HI all

 

Just want to verify a possible LC GTR

 

82911CH183637

LC22169B

 

cheers

Glenn

[Bazza]

Hi Glenn

 

Can you please check the Chassis Number LC22169B? and does the same number appear on the ADR plate and stamped into the inner guard?

 

What is the Body Number and paint code number on the Body Identification plate?

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[r2160]

Hi Bazza,

 

Apparently no trim plate, but has the original 2600s engine.

 

LC22169B does appear on the plate at the back of the engine bay and is stamped on the chassis. Date on the plate is 2/71

 

cheers

Glenn

Edited by r2160, 23 April 2013 - 01:25 PM.

[Bazza]

Hi Glenn

 

82911CH183637 appears on the VIN disc as a GTR completed in Brisbane on 4/2/71. It was sold by dealer 574 later the same month. The Chassis Number is consistent with that build date. The original engine number is not listed but would be in the 2600S26xxx to 2600S30xxx range.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[r2160]

cheers Bazza

 

love your work

 

thanks

Glenn