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Big Torana vs Little Torana

Started by LOWS2 , Aug 11 2006 04:57 PM

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#1 LOWS2

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 04:57 PM

Bit of a can of worms this one -

My mates Dad said to me once that in his opinion the LJ XU1 would walk all over a LX A9X Hatch at Bathurst. i said i wouldnt be so sure as the A9X was so good around Bathurst but you cant write off the staying power of the XU1.

So what car, if both prepared to same specification (group 3?) , would win a 1000km race around Bathurst???

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:06 PM

A9X by 4 laps :spoton:

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:42 PM

A9X!

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 06:16 PM

A9X.
By lots.

Taking nothing away from the XU1.

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 10:16 PM

I went A9X as well but this bloke just wouldnt accept it no matter what (that knd of bloke).

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#6 _73LJWhiteSL_

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 11:13 PM

I reckon the XU-1 V8 would have killed the A9X... but thats a 'Could Have Been....'

Sorry to say, but A9X.

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 11:14 PM

A9X

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 03:29 PM

You are the man Steve! :clap:

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#9 _gtr-xu1_

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 05:55 PM

who has the lap record for 72/73 XU1 and 78/79 A9X

theres ya answer.
and i should be obvious as were talkin several years of racing development

its like comparing the A9X with a current V8 super car

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#10 _UCV80_

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 06:14 PM

Iv heard before the XU1 would beat an A9X

i wouldnt know though :tease:

Maybe us high performance 6 owners cant handle the fact that v8's are faster?? haha :tease:

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 06:17 PM

who has the lap record for 72/73 XU1 and 78/79 A9X

theres ya answer. the A9X
and it should be as were talkin several years of racing development and a purpose built group C race car

its like comparing the A9X with a current V8 super car

i found the 73 race records in my 74 bathurst race program

P.Brock/D.Chivas 73 XU1 fastest Lap 2:35.9

sorry i dont have any Square car results. As its like Harry Firth said "theres only one real Torana, XU1"

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Edited by gtr-xu1, 12 August 2006 - 06:18 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 08:34 PM

Take pride comrades that our 202 LJ�s beat Ford�s 351 GTHO�s :spoton:

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#13 _SpinFX_

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 06:02 PM

That's the real bottom line...202ci beating 351ci over a circuit race!

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#14 _pallbag_

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 06:51 PM

Pole position times 1970 - 79,

1970 Allan Moffat Ford Falcon GTHO 2m.52.10s
1971 Allan Moffat Ford Falcon GTHO 2m.38.90s
1972 Allan Moffat Ford Falcon GT 2m.35.80s
1973 John Goss Ford Falcon GT 2m.33.40s
1974 Peter Brock Holden Torana L34 2m.30.80s
1975 Colin Bond Holden Torana L34 2m.27.40s
1976 Allan Moffat Ford Falcon GT 2m.25.00s
1977 Peter Brock Holden Torana A9X 2m.24.90s
1978 Peter Brock Holden Torana A9X 2m.20.00s
1979 Peter Brock # Holden Torana A9X 2m.20.97s

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#15 _chevy_253_torana_

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Posted 14 August 2006 - 09:06 PM

firthy told me the v8 xu1 was his favourite car it was all set up right and was a heck of a lot quicker than the "sqaure boxes " he reckons it woulda killed at bathurst

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#16 _70rey_

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Posted 14 August 2006 - 09:12 PM

lj all the way...

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#17 _LoneOranger_

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 07:58 AM

Even 6 cyl LC / LJ sports sedans, where the rules were more liberal, weren't as quick as the group C A9X cars in the late 70s.
That's gotta tell you something.
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Posted 16 August 2006 - 05:11 PM

A9X by a lot. If it pissed down with rain all day - A9X by a little. Anyone see the race between the white A9X sedan and the white XU1 in Tassie at Symmons plains a few years ago in the rain?? Damn, it was good close on (and over) the edge racing! :spoton:

The two Toranas left the rest of the field, including Porsches and turbo RX7s for dead, and raced bumper to bumper right to the end.

Add the 1980, 81 and 82 Commodores to the equation - in my opinion, still doesn't change the A9X at the top, but the XU-1 would still probably be last in the list.

What I'd really like to see is a real contest between a freshly built properly prepped Group C A9X with good current rubber, and a current V8 Supercar around Bathurst. I know which one would sound and look better, no matter the outocme!

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 08:21 PM

Channel 7 did this comparison a little while ago... A9X/HRT Supercar/VY SS

The HRT won, followed by the SS, then the A9X.

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#20 _Shevster_

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 10:06 PM

Channel 7 did this comparison a little while ago... A9X/HRT Supercar/VY SS

The HRT won, followed by the SS, then the A9X.

RIM

A9X wasn't properly race prepped, as in it had old hard race tyres, amongst other things.

EDIT: it was on the ch 10 telecast of bathurst in 2004 BTW

IMO comparing and A9X to XU-1 is like comparing apples with oranges, they are two entirely different cars for two entirely different eras. The A9X definitely dominated its era, whereas the XU-1 was more of the underdog that would punch above it weight division.

Edited by Shevster, 16 August 2006 - 10:07 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 10:42 PM

Mmmm, wrong rear end ratio as well.

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:33 AM

Yeah i knew there was somethin wrong with it.

Surely they could of managed a new set of tyres at least?

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#23 _The Baron_

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:47 AM

Considering the two commodores were new and the drivers thrashed them around the track.

Whilst the A9X was near 30yrs old with shit tyres and the wrong diff ratio that limited top speed badly.

Considering that the Bowdens were allowing this national treasure out at such speed and Peter would have babied it around with this in mind.

I think the A9X did very well.

I think the odds were stacked against the A9X as it would look bad for Holden if the 27yr old A9X came first.

Don't you think so?

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Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:41 PM

Yep, have to agree with the Baron. As if the A9X was ever going to be allowed to pass their current product. As great as it was to watch it was just a media stunt, and nothing more !!!. Imagine if Brocky was given the nod to prep the A9X and rewind to 79 mode, now that would be a true comparison !!!